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As a part of CSR initiative, Banks are providing materials like dustbins, Dumper Placer bins ( price 1.25 lakh per unit), water tanks etc to corporation at regular intervals.As I understand banks are providing materials directly and not as  funds to corporation. Would like to know the list of items received as sponsored from banks and other donors to corporation and places where they are installed in the city. One of the clerks in corporation stated that these CSR and donor items are not accountable and no records are kept on such items

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Sunil Ahya

Do not go by what an individual informs you, but file a RTI application to seek authentic information for yourself.

You may phrase appropriate RTI queries for seeking information, for instance:

Please provide a photocopy of the following documents wherein has been noted the following information:

1. All the material received by your Public Authority in kind (not cash) under the Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) scheme of the Government.

2. Similarly .....

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Sir, How do I ask for the places where the sponsored items are installed, any record maintained for sponsored items.

Can I file an RTI with the banks and seek information on total items and value of items sanctioned and disbursed to corporation as part of Banks CSR initiative

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Prasad GLN

You can file such RTI application and can seek entire information from bank on utilization of CSR funds in a year or in a particular district or in a particular corporation.

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Sir Thank You. Will banks provide such information under RTI? will it come under fiduciary relationship

Pls correct the application

1. Please provide entire information on record on utilization of CSR funds during 2018-2019 at Trichy District

 

 

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Prasad GLN

They must.  They are spending Government funds and citizens have every right to see whether the spending is for larger public interest or for some personal causes in which such official is interested. The information solicited is more than sufficient. (write item wise specific amount spent and the beneficiary Purpose, amount, through which dept.,)

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Thanks Sir,

Banks are evasive for RTI queries and very often state that the query is vague,Please correct the drafted RTI application

.1. Please provide entire information on record regarding utilization of CSR funds during 2018-2019 at Trichy District.Provide item wise specific amount spent and the beneficiary purpose, amount, through which dept

 

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Prasad GLN

There is no ambiguity in the query, it is true that Bank CPIOs (Who are legal officers) act smart and if they wish to avoid there are hundreds of ways and if they wish to provide information, they can easily understand one simple query.  You can certainly get this information from SBI.

Information solicited:

1.Please provide full details of amount spent towards CSR for the year 2018-19 in Tiruchi dt.

Date ,,,,,,,,,,,Purpose............amount sent to(Dept) ............Amount.....procedure followed for proper utilization

-1-------------------2------------------------3--------------------------------4__________________-------------5-------------------

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Sir

Reg Your application under RTI Act 2005 dated 30 01 2020
Received at ours on 31 01 2020

Please find below the reply for the queries raised in your RTI application

We are exempted from giving access to the information under Section 8 1 J of RTI act 2005 as disclosure of such information has no relationship to any public activity or interest or which would cause unwarranted invasion of the privacy of the individual

It is purely an administrative process Hence it could not be disclosed to a public not connected with this

This is for your information and if you are not satisfied with the reply provided you may file an appeal with the following authority within 30 days

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Prasad GLN

Grounds for Appeal: The utilization of public funds towards Corporate social responsibility by any stretch of imagination amounts to invasion on privacy of any individual and the information solicited more to know proper utilization (transparency and accountability).  It appears that CPIO has no idea of what is personal information that is exempted under Sec. 8 (1) (j) and how using such section for exemption without justification in this case amounts to unlawful denial.  CPIO has not applied his mind in denying information.  Every citizen is having the right to know as to how public funds are being utilized towards social responsibility by the corporates which are in public sector.

PRAYER: Please deliver speaking order as expeditiously as possible and direct CPIO to provide the information free of cost.  CPIO may be deputed for proper training, as it appears that even after 15years after enactment of RTI act, he is not aware what is personal information that is exempted under RTI and what are the objectives of enactment of RTI Act.

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Sir Thanks for your support,

Here is the reply from Indian Overseas Bank

The Chief Regional Manager has donated compactor bins worth several lakhs to Corporation on Feb 3, 2020. The news article along with photo of  Shir  CRM states that the compactor bins were donated on behalf of IOVB bank .However CPIO states that no budget allocated.Conflicting replies. Even donated items carry IOVB name on the bins

 

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Prasad GLN

The contribution is strictly for those corporates which are earning profit, and for those who may not earn profit, there is no such allocation.   Even when there is no budget, in cases of necessity, the corporate may grant, as allocation of Budget is not strict in Banks. In other words there may not be a budget.  But, nothing forbids them in spending in some cases where there is mutual benefit.  (Banks do help those, whose institution is patronizing them with their low cost deposits more-you may call it quid pro quo).

Please confine to issue raised in thread and do not mix several other things in one post as it may create confusion.

The issue is as to whether CRC details are personal information or to be disclosed.  It has to be disclosed if they receive such RTI Applications.

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subbu23

Please find reply by SBI

 

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Prasad GLN

What was your query No.2 was not stated in above 14 posts. 

You can yourself decide the knowledge levels of PSU banks after 14 years of enactment of RTI Act.

PNB Rejected it under 8 (1) (j)

IOB stated that as it is not earning profit no specific budget under csr.

SBI provided some information and rejected for query no.2 inventing sec. 8 (1) (d)

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subbu23

Sir,

Thanks

Query no2 2. Provide copy of record that states about the procedure followed for proper utilization of CSR funds

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Prasad GLN

Go for first appeal as CPIO has not applied his mind, and felt that ensuring end use and other social development circulars etc comes under Sec.8 (1)  (d).  It is most unfortunate that SBI is a premier public sector Bank in India, and even after 14 years of enactment of RTI, even though they have best books in RTI, CPIO is not aware  as to simple stipulation Sec. 8 (1) (d) and when it should be applied and invents several things circulars, rules and regulations are internal circulation of the Bank which is absurd.   Any one can seek such information if it is not exempted under RTI.  Any one can seek such copy of circular, rules and regulations.

Further when a corporate is donating a sum, they should keep a receipt and minimum steps to supervise end use is most necessary as Bank should have enough control on such donations.

Shame on Public sector banks and expose their ignorance on rti.

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Reply from CPIO Canara Bank,

Plain Sheet with no information about name and designation about CPIO, No signatue of the CPIO, No FAA details.

CPIO has denied CSR funds Break up information . Even its not clear whether its 1,50,000 or 15,000 for the year 2018-19

For query 2, Provide copy of record that states about the procedure followed for proper utilization of CSR funds, CPIO has stated section 2(f)645597418_canarabank.thumb.png.a6123958fcc8149f8126cf6439b76c42.png

 

 

 

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On 2/25/2020 at 7:02 PM, Prasad GLN said:

Go for first appeal as CPIO has not applied his mind, and felt that ensuring end use and other social development circulars etc comes under Sec.8 (1)  (d).  It is most unfortunate that SBI is a premier public sector Bank in India, and even after 14 years of enactment of RTI, even though they have best books in RTI, CPIO is not aware  as to simple stipulation Sec. 8 (1) (d) and when it should be applied and invents several things circulars, rules and regulations are internal circulation of the Bank which is absurd.   Any one can seek such information if it is not exempted under RTI.  Any one can seek such copy of circular, rules and regulations.

Further when a corporate is donating a sum, they should keep a receipt and minimum steps to supervise end use is most necessary as Bank should have enough control on such donations.

Shame on Public sector banks and expose their ignorance on rti.

Reply for First Appeal with SBI for query 2 in my RTI application Query no2 2. Provide copy of record that states about the procedure followed for proper utilization of CSR funds. PIO has denied stating section 8(1) d. I filed the above quoted FA suggested, and got the reply for First Appeal today

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Prasad GLN

As an experienced member, respect the space in the forum and do not turn the forum as personal correspondence/secretarial services.  You can just quote essence.  When the first appeal is rejected, the only option is going for second appeal with same grounds and prayers by adding first appeal orders date.  You can go for first appeal.  In the mean while, search JPS or other blogs as to what exactly is SEC 8 (1) (d)  and mail such copy to FAA so that he may apply his mind and learn about Sec. 8 (1) (d)

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