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Kiran Bedi as CIC

Is the movement by Anna Hazare, Aamir Khan to bring Kiran Bedi as CIC justified?  

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  1. 1. Is the movement by Anna Hazare, Aamir Khan to bring Kiran Bedi as CIC justified?

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gsgolani

Kiran Bedi, Shri T.Chandershekhar TN seshan or G.R.Khairnar even though they were babus but with their works creative thinking and implimentation of existing laws with pure intentions for upliftment of society came in lime light and are jewels of the society.If government is unable to use their services then it is the loss of Government and Indian public at large and they have nothing to loose.

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Pradip Shah

media should conduct opinion poll for the post of CIC on Kiran Bedi & or any other deserving proposed name.

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jimmorrison

I have no doubts about Kiran Bedi or Shailesh Gandhi. But the argument to make a her CIC because we have women president, we had women prime minister we may as well have women CIC is not what we should be looking at.

 

We need to look beyond personalities.

 

 

 

 

With vast experience and ability to analyse issues, Ms. Kiran Bedi is the fittest choice. We have a woman President, woman Speaker and finally why not a woman CIC, that too an efficient and proven administrator.

R S Murthy

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schamarthi1

I do not have anything against this iron lady. Its quite silly to doubt her credentials. But RTI is a movement against the babudom and she was one of those. By definition of RTI act and struggle to get it proves and it behooves that the post should go to some one in the social service and freedom struggle (without presently enjoying perks from govt and also not involved with any political party). Let us be sure about it, let us not froget the struggle to achieve it.

We struggled for freedom from British but lost it again to these leaders.

RTI is against these leaders...let a right person lead it!

love all

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rajyadav017
No dobout Kiran Bedi was good police officer but her devotion with RTI is no where proved.

 

 

Dear

Question is not devotation , its the question of selecting a person for this post who has the impacable record of integraty, honesty, If your fundamentals are strong as ahuman being than u can do good things, at least u will not compromise with your principles. At last we need good peoples to head these commissions.

 

thank u:p

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karira

There are basically two issues here:

 

1. Is Civil Society correct in recommending a particular person for a post ?

 

2. Is Kiran Bedi the right person for the job ?

 

A. If anyone reads the papers everyday, you would have seen countless number of news items of how individuals (beauraucrats or otherwise) lobby for some post or a place of posting for themselves. Lobbying is a part and parcel of life in the public sphere. Cricketers lobby for a place in the Indian team, Actors lobby for a role in a particular film, Police officers lobby for a lucrative posting, Tax officers lobby for a "good" posting, Politicians lobby for a particular Ministership. Lobbying is also a part and parcel of our private lives...look within your own families and you will find all kinds of "lobbying" going on and that too everyday ! So why such hullaboo about a group of individuals "lobbying" for a particular person for a particular post.

 

To buttress my point, here is a State Chief Secretary already lobbying for the post of AP State CIC:

 

As appeared in TOI, Hyderabad Edition, dated 02 November 2009:

 

TRUE LIES

 

Race for CS post hots up

With the promotion of the 1975 batch IAS officers to the rank of special chief secretaries last week, the race for the post of chief secretary has become hotter. The post falls vacant when present chief secretary Ramakanth Reddy finishes his extended tenure in December. Apart from some of the already existing special chief secretaries, two newly appointed ones: S V Prasad and Rachel Chatterjee, are in contention. While chief minister K Rosaiah is believed to have a preference for Rachel, the babudom is not sure who will play the decisive role in December and who will be actually calling the shots in December, which is a full two months away. In the meantime, Ramakanth himself is lobbying for a post-retirement gift in the form of either state election commissioner or chief information officer, both of which are slated to be up for grabs very soon with the present incumbents finishing their term.

 

 

B. In the absence of anything clear cut in Sec 12(3), 12(5) and 12(6) of the RTI Act, many people feel that the the process of appointment of IC's and CIC's is totally arbritary and opaque. This has been clearly exposed by a reply from DoPT to a applicants quest for information on the initial CIC/IC's appointments in the CIC:

 

http://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/WB-22122008-01.pdf

 

The information asked for (in colour blue) and the information received (in colour red) was:

 

1. Government’s policy/ principle guidelines etc for the

collection of names of expected CIC to be sent to the

Recommendation Committee for selection;

1. Clause (5) and (6) of Section 12 of the Right to

Information Act, 2005, prescribe the conditions for

appointment to the posts of Chief Information

Commissioner (CIC) and Central Information

Commissioners (IC). There is no other laid down policy/

principle/ guidelines on the subject.

 

2. Whether names of CIC are collected on ‘pick & choose’ basis

or on the basis of the recommendations of Ministers;

2. Persons for the post of CIC are considered on the basis

of conditions contained in above referred provisions of

the Act. No other information in the matter is available.

 

3. Whether there was a system of “Search Committee” for

collecting probable names and how the five names for CIC;

3. As per available information there was no search

Committee to collect probable names. No further

information in the matter is available.

 

4. How the five names for CIC have been finally selected by the

Government leaving hundreds of qualified officials;

4. The selections were made by the Selection Committee.

No other information is available in the matter.

 

5. Whether the post of CIC is meant only for retired officials;

5. No.

 

6. Whether the present CIC had applied for the post and if so,

the source of his information of vacancy;

6. Information in this regard is not available.

 

7. Whether government advertised for the post of CIC and

when?

7. The post was not advertised.

 

8. Government policy/ principle for the appointment of only give

CIC/ICs and not the 10 CIC(s) as per provision of the Act;

8. Section 12 (2) of the RTI Act, 2005 provides that the

Central Government may appoint such number of Central

Information Commissioner not exceeding ten, as may be

deemed necessary. The Government had appointed four

Information Commissioners in addition to the Chief

Information Commissioner on the basis of the need felt by

the Government.

 

9. In total, how many candidates were in the race for the post of

CIC/ICs. Names of all candidates and their present

designation and address be sent to me for my information;

9. the information is not available.

 

10. Whether non selected candidates for the post of CIC have

been duly intimated with the cause for their non selection;

10. In view of the position given in respect of point No. 9

above, question does not arise.

 

11. Certified copies of Government decision regarding the non

appointment of 5 CICs;

11. No such documents are available.

 

12. Certified copies of Recommendation Committee “file notings”

for the final selection of 5 CICs;

12. the appellant was requested by the CPIO to deposit an

amount of Rs. 2/- by way of cash or bankers’ cheque of

Indian Postal Order in favour of Account Officer,

Department of Personnel and Training as required under

the provisions of RTI (Regulation of Fee and Cost) Rules,

2005. The appellant has not deposited the requisite

amount so far. NOTE: The file notings ran into 1 page !

 

13. What is the Government’s proposal of shifting the CIC Office

from Old JNU Campus?

13. The Central Information Commission shall finally be

shifted to its own building.

 

14. What is the annual budget granted for the CIC for the year

2007-2008;

14. the information has already been furnished by the CPIO

vide letter of even number dated 22.5.2007.

 

15. Why Government of India is not giving proper publicity

through media, hoarding, leaflets, government notification etc

the text and benefit of RTI Act, 2005 for public information

and guidelines (Since same Govt. of India is spending crores

of rupees for the advertisement of Ministry of Tourism &

“Grahak Jago” programmes).”

15. The Government is giving publicity through the DAVP.”

 

(BTW, I was present during the hearing of the above Second Appeal as a an observer - http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/11325-dopt-has-no-records-show-how-central-information-commission-ics-were-selected.html .)

 

Now, anyone reading the above will get a fair idea of what the word "opaque" means.

 

The preamble of the RTI Act talks about transparency and isn't it ironic that the person(s) to appointed as "guardian angels" of the transparency act be themselves appointed in the most opaque manner. What is the message that is being sent ?

 

C. That is why one sees so much of suspicion amongst the citizens when a new CIC is to be appointed and, in the absence of any alternatives, a vast majority of people rooting for Ms. Kiran Bedi for this post. Clear cut case of "Aur nahin to yeh hi sahi".

 

D. I am not in favour of (or against) any particular person being appointed. I have no problems even if more Bureaucrats are appointed as long as the process is "transparent" and "open". But once he/she is appointed, he/she should do his job properly. Which, as of all of us know, is not happening. What is there in these 30 sections and about 8 or 9 A4 size pages of the RTI Act that is difficult ? What is there that cannot be done by any Mohammed, Ram or D'Souza or for that matter Haseena, Padma or Sandra but can only be done by someone appointed opaquely ?

 

I simply want a CIC and IC who will not act like Gandhiji's three famous monkeys - "Hear no RTI Act, See no RTI Act and Speak no RTI Act"

 

Any answers ?

 

PS: Someone mentioned in one of the posts about "gender". Till now we have only 2 experiences to go by - Ex IC Padma Balasubramanian and present IC Annapurna Dixit (Ms. D Sandhu and Shushma Singh are not counted since they have not made a single decision till today - at least none have been uploaded on the CIC website AND Ex IC Omita Paul is not taken into the reckoning at all). Before getting gender specific why don't you do a analysis of their work and then come to a conclusion ? A lot of material is available on this website itself - just search for it.

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rajyadav017

If we remember that Mr T N sheshan reformed election commission , Same the Ms kiran bedi will surely stand for the commission and protect it with iron hand . lets support the appointment of ms bedi

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R.C. NEGI

No doubt that Ms. Kiran Bedi is the best possible choice for the CIC. But would the corrupt beaurocracy would allow her to take the charge of CIC?.

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Atul Patankar

Actually we need Mahatma Gandhi for CIC's post - his uprightness, his connectedness to people, his sensitivity, his unbending principals, and his ability to accept the cost od his own decisions, his humility..........................................

 

But we as a country seem to produce one Mahatma Gandhi in, say, 500 years.So, as a society, we have to manage with the 'available best'.

 

Once we accept this, we realize that the person occupying this post will have to work with the same bureaucracy, within the same system. As such, let us not root all our hopes on a new CIC - this will most certainly lead to disappointment.

 

We shall not be discussing Chief CIC as if we were asked to choose our next saviour!

 

The media and celebrity will choose their own reasoning to making any choice. We can be certain that the RTI experience is not one of their criterion.

 

On this forum, let us discuss if she will be good for the RTI cause. I feel she has a fair chance, going by her reputation. But I do not think the RTI scenario will see any dramatic change.

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jimmorrison
If we remember that Mr T N sheshan reformed election commission , Same the Ms kiran bedi will surely stand for the commission and protect it with iron hand . lets support the appointment of ms bedi

 

The ultimate question boils down to "How do I support Kiran bedi fro CIC" or for that matter Shailesh Gnadhi, or any other candidate? Does my vote or opinion count, is it even heard or taken into account.

 

Picking up between Shailesh Gandhi and Kiran Bedi is a tough choice already, are there any candidates in the race, is there a process to know who are these candidates, or does everything have to start with the 10 Rs DD?

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karira
The ultimate question boils down to "How do I support Kiran bedi fro CIC" or for that matter Shailesh Gnadhi, or any other candidate? Does my vote or opinion count, is it even heard or taken into account.

Picking up between Shailesh Gandhi and Kiran Bedi is a tough choice already, are there any candidates in the race, is there a process to know who are these candidates, or does everything have to start with the 10 Rs DD?

 

As per CIC Wajahat Habibullah on NDTV yesterday, the selection committee comprising of 3 members consists of the PM, leader of Opposition and a Minister - all of whom are elected members of Parliament. Thus implying that the general public has a indirect say in the selection.

Starting with the Rs. 10.00 DD, will not get you anywhere, as shown in my post no. #31 above.

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sidmis

The "Legitimate Expectation" by the citizens must be respected. The Citizenry has certain expectations and expects the Govt./Elected Representatives to act and fulfil those expectations.

 

In the end it boils down to this : How these legitimate expectations vis a vis the actions of the Govt. in selecting & appointing officials are balancing each other.

 

Hope the Govt. & the Elected Representatives are aware of these expectations and act in a manner to uphold them.

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betterlife

My recommendation to Government of India for CIC post is Kiran Bedi.

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javeed_khan

The chances are there that K.Bedi may not become a puppet in the hands of the govt. from her past records. But most of the people in the high posts are puppets of the govt.

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karira

An editorial in centralchronicle.com on 04 November 2009:

Central Chronicle - Madhya Pradesh's News Portal

Eagle's Eye: Transparency in RTI

 

Nowadays, RTI has enabled us to raise demand to provide any kind of information (except defence & sensitive aspects) to them. Its repercussion is therefore very positive for the development of nation- Satish Singh

Resignation of Chief Information Commissioner Wajahat Habibullah has again brought Right to Information act in limelight. Some celebrities have recently come forward & suggested the name of former IPS officer Kiran Bedi as successor of Wajahat Habibullah. Kiran Bedi is also ready to serve as Chief Information Commissioner of India.

 

Among such celebrities, Aamir Khan and Anna Hajare are prominent. In their opinion, Kiran Bedi may bring more transparency in this act. Presently, issue of transparency in RTI is so pertinent & hot.

 

Today panic of RTI can be clearly seen in the face of corrupt officials. Before RTI, corruption was flourishing everywhere without any check. Nowadays, RTI has enabled us to raise demand to provide any kind of information (except defense & sensitive aspects) to them. Its repercussion is therefore very positive for the development of nation.

 

Since its inception, Right to Information has always remained in limelight due to sans transparency. However, it is a unique provision which was enacted by the central government in 2005 for providing information to applicants as per their requirement. Anyhow, some lacunas regarding this act may not defeat its importance.

 

Before this act, nobody was aware about wrongdoing of various wings of the government. A number of people were elapsing their days in search of justice. However, this provision proved panacea for those people who were seeking justice by the help of relevant information. Moreover, there is still scope of improvement in every layer of this act.

 

As per latest survey report, 27% applicants are only getting their desired information under the provision of this act. This low percent of utilization of RTI may be matter of great concern for the government as well general people at large.

 

Lack of awareness on the subject of RTI among people may be serious matter. But inability of government to provide information as per their prerequisite is more serious affair.

 

Nevertheless, main issue is still lack of awareness about right to information. It obviously raises questions on the government's seriousness about the transparency law.

 

In 2009-10, the government has allocated Rs.14.16 crores as budget for RTI, but only a meager amount of Rs.3.55 crores has been spent till October, 2009. This is less than half the amount spent on RTI in 2008-09 for the same period. It is indeed bad indication.

 

According to sources, only 12 % women and 26 % men across the country were even aware about the RTI law. Only 13% rural people and 33% of the urban population have benefited from RTI awareness campaigns.

 

The government is ready to strengthening the awareness programme for effective implementation of the RTI,s act. Even fund to the tune of Rs.4.76 crores have released to the state information commissions and Rs.4.10 crores released to the Administrative Training Institutes for awareness campaigns and development of printing material in regional language.

 

Moreover, efforts of the government to spread awareness have not really worked. Awareness of citizens on their rights as an applicant under the RTI is minimal.

 

Much is to be done for improving the convenience for filing RTI requests. Over 26 % of citizens had to pay more than 3 visits to submit their applications to public authorities.

 

About 47% of the applicants found no signboards at the public authority's offices to help them. There is also the problem of lack of updated list of Public Information Officers (PIOs).

 

Complain of the inadequate help provided to applicants and non friendly attitude of the PIOs is common phenomenon. Seventy five percent of the citizens are still dissatisfied with the quality of information provided and find the data either incomplete or irrelevant.

 

It is high time for the government to take corrective measures to make RTI act more effective. In this connection, role of RTI & Chief Information Commissioner are very significant.

 

Honest and visionary person may remove the gems of corruption from the RTI & if such dreams come true, corruption and other irregularities will automatically vanished from other spheres of government machinery. Image of Kiran Bedi is faultless. She may certainly bring change in whole system of RTI.

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karira

An article by Arvind Kejariwal in timesofindia.indiatimes.com on 05 November 2009:

Needed: Tough person for CIC - India - The Times of India

 

Needed: Tough person for CIC

 

Civil society's demand to appoint Kiran Bedi as the next Chief Information Commissioner has started an interesting debate. It has several dimensions.

 

One section of media, albeit very small, is projecting that there is intense lobbying going on for Bedi. The word "lobby" has unholy connotations and at times, implies vested interests. Is it that one day I, Aamir Khan, Anna Hazare, Subhash Chandra, Baba Ramdev, Madhu Trehan, Shabana Azmi, N R Narayana Murthy and many others conspired to "lobby" for Ms Bedi? The absurdity of the charge is obvious. More than 90% of SMS polls in almost all TV channels voted in favor of Bedi. Obviously, the people of India are not "lobbying" for Bedi. There is strong public opinion in her favor.

 

Intense, secret and unhealthy lobbying was already going on for this post, as it happens for any other post, till we suggested Bedi's name. It is to counter this unholy lobbying that we wanted the debate to come out in the open.

Some people are asking, "Is such lobbying by activists healthy or is it blackmailing?" I think the question should be, "Should a government respect public opinion in a democracy?"

 

What prompted such an action by these activists? A recent survey shows that RTI is collapsing. Only 27% of people who approach Information Commissions finally get information. 61% of Commissions orders are not implemented. Though the RTI Act makes it mandatory to penalize every RTI violation, only 2% were actually penalized. 25 Commissioners (out of 72) and four state commissions did not impose a single penalty last year, despite thousands of recorded violations. When the RTI Act came, officials were scared of its strong penal provisions. No more. Penal provisions have been rendered practically ineffective by these commissioners.

 

Therefore, there is a need to appoint a strict, no-nonsense person who can implement RTI provisions with zero tolerance. Bedi symbolizes that for the people of this country. It is not important whether she is finally appointed. The demand is to appoint a person who can strictly enforce RTI.

 

We have been demanding for the last three years that in keeping with the spirit of RTI, the process of appointing Information Commissioners should be made transparent, participatory and inclusive. Not only has the government found it uncomfortable to appoint a strong Information Commissioner, its intentions were summed up by a very senior minister whom we approached when some commissioners were being appointed last time: "You have to accept that these posts are meant to accommodate loyal retiring bureaucrats."

 

Whenever RTI activists demanded that the appointment process be made transparent, the media did not give us space. But when we asked for Bedi to be appointed, the whole media is talking about it. We are happy that this debate has started.

 

However noble a law or an institution may be, the government of the day can kill it by simply appointing a weak, ineffective and pliable person as its head. Almost all central and state governments have been killing institutions systematically. It is important that the appointments to CAG, CVC, CEC, judiciary, NHRC and all other such institutions be made through transparent, inclusive and participatory processes.

 

Citizens of the US have a direct say in appointments of even judges to their Supreme Court through public confirmation hearings. Why can't our governments call for names and nominations through public advertisements for these posts, put them on a website after some preliminary screening, call for public comments and then finalize names giving due reasons why some people were selected and others rejected? Several useful models are available to make process inclusive and participatory, if only the political will existed.

 

Till such time as the governments put such systems in place, we will keep suggesting names to the governments for all these positions, even at the cost of being dubbed "lobbyists" and "blackmailers".

(The writer is a social activist)

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karira

As reported by Rajeev Deshpande of TNN in timesofindia.indiatimes.com on 05 November 2009:

Strong campaign for Kiran Bedi may backfire - India - The Times of India

 

Strong campaign for Kiran Bedi may backfire

 

NEW DELHI: A known enemy might be better than over-zealous friends. The high-pressure campaign by civil society activists for the candidature of former cop Kiran Bedi as chief information commissioner may hurt her prospects with government wary of the fierce lobbying.

 

The aggressive campaign to rope in activists and celebrities to back Bedi is seen as a bid to force the government's hand over the appointment which is to be finalised through a consultative process involving both Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Leader of Opposition L K Advani.

 

The letters written by campaigners to the PM and Congress chief Sonia Gandhi could turn out to have been somewhat hasty as India's first woman IPS officer runs the risk of being seen as a nominee of a vocal section of activists. The government seems inclined to balance demands of activists as well as other opinions that have been aired over the next CIC.

 

The letters have been written by RTI campaigner and Magsaysay winner Arvind Kejriwal, social activist Anna Hazare, actor Amir Khan and Narayana Murthy of Infosys among others and have asked the government to explain how it had made a better choice in the event that Bedi was overlooked. They also expressed concern that gains of RTI may be lost.

 

Well-placed sources said fears of RTI being "rolled back" were misplaced as the CIC would be appointed with due care and diligence. "The UPA government has enacted this powerful legislation empowering the common man. It will not take a decision that hurts RTI or sets the clock back. UPA wants to make it more effective," they said, pointing that government would ensure the next CIC enjoys wide acceptance.

 

As consultations are expected to gather momentum, it is felt the argument that only a civil society choice should be considered may not find sufficient traction. For one, the views being expressed are those of a section of the non-government spectrum and then the experience of inducting "outsiders" has been mixed. There was no reason why members of the judiciary or goverment should be ruled out at the starting stage itself.

 

While Bedi has worked within the system and is a popular public figure, she has had her run-ins with the government. There has been a trend of commissions and quasi-constitutional bodies advocating points of view that seem to reflect their "constituencies". The commission should not be seen to have been appropriated by one set of activists or opinion. In fact the healthy growth of RTI was dependent on a robust CIC but not one bent on confrontation as some of Bedi's backers seem to suggest.

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drrathorehs

By proposing the name of Kiran Bedi as CIC by Social workers and NGOs has started a new healthy trend in our country. At least the public appointments should be with consultation / involvement of the public. I think this is a very healthy trend.

 

Dr. Rathore H.S.

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rkb_bhagat

WE the people of India need to build a better/bigger clout than the corrupt Politicians with malafide intentions which have a bigger clout to overshadow people concerns.

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xdev
No dobout Kiran Bedi was good police officer but her devotion with RTI is no where proved.

 

If that is the case, no CIC till now proved himself devoted to the cause... either before, during, or after becoming the CIC.

 

I strongly feel Kiran Bedi will bring in the much need honesty, integrity and committment toward the job as she has proved in the past.

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Ajit Borade

I have highest regards for Annasaheb Hazare and his suggestion for Kiran Bedi as CIC is a welcome one But I look at this issue in a different way.

Kiran Bedi has excellent track record as IPS officer but this time we need a CIC who is iron fisted.

We need some one like KPS Gill or Julio Ribeiro who can act tough on erring babus otherwise it is very difficult for RTI act to maintain its usefulness.

The percentage of applications that gets answered in pathetically low.

And CPIO gets scott free most of the time. There should be a time limit for disposing the appeal for CIC also.

And the new CIC should work upon those parameters. We don't want a "always-keep-smiling" type of face as a CIC.

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Pradip Shah

Dr.D.S.Rathore,Sir, due respect to your compliment .........................

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ganpat1956

The right to vote or not is left with an individual member. It is also not to be construed as an indicator of the RTI involvement of the individual members or otherwise.

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Shrawan

This poll purpose is to bring out if there was audacity of Anna Hazare, Aamir Khan to bring Kiran Bedi as CIC, and not to vote for Kiran Bedi as such.

 

If you voted yes, means you think the decision made by them was rational and plural and not based on personality syndrome and that they collectively made conscious decision of overriding any others.

 

When such important people collectively make public statements, there must have been truly good reason to choose only one and not others.

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Dr.S.ANANDKUMAR

I don't how competant is Amir Khan on RTI matters. I wish to know had he ever had an experience on seeking information using an RTI application, appealing & Complaining and things like that. I can suggest TN Seshan, Dr.Abdul Kalam, etc. How am I could do that? It should be a trasparent process. There should be a recruitment rule in place. There should be an open advertisement. A panel of eligible applicants. Selection committee duly constituted for the purpose. The committee may comprise a judge, bureaucrat, technocrat, social activist like Anna etc. This is fair and just recruitment of Information Commissioners provided in the law.

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