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Shrawan

If there is anything which is left here, kindly let me know so that I correct it. The suggestions given by Ganpat and Aashna over my blog post has been incorporated.

 

Once this is final, we would make it an FAQ entry, and also make it in PDF format for download from our sister site start [Right to Information Wiki]

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crusader

I think this is very comprehensive information. Thank you for sharing Kushal. I think this can also be put up in FAQ segment.

 

And thank you Ganpat regarding practical insight to this.

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trueblue

this is a great information. Thank you for the posts dear members.

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Shrawan

Based upon suggestion of muralivmohan posted at my blog, I think he has put up very valid point left out by me, and hence I had edited and included that.

Thank You very must muralivmohan for the suggestion.

 

 

regards,

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maneesh

Thats a good information Dr. Pathak

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NRUSINGH
Crusader, it is very thoughtful of you to have initiated a thread on this topic. I am sure this thread will help all the new comers to grasp this concept easily. Kushalji has already provided a downloadable version of the RTI Application format. Apart from that I would like to emphasise on a few points that come to my mind.

 

The application should invariably bear the title " Application for Information under RTI Act 2005". It should also contain a declaration to the effect that the applicant is a citizen of India. A DD/IPO for Rs. 10/= towards the application money or proof of remittance of the said amount, if it is remitted by way of cash, should also be enclosed. Beginners should always remember to keep extar copies of the application and proof of remittance for their own records.

 

I have also come across a few seasoned veterans using certain disclaimers/declarations in their application, as a measure of abundant precaution against any possible denial of information by PIOs. A few of them are furnished here.

 

" Kindly note that I am not seeking personal information which would compromise the privacy of any individual OR which would affect your competitive position".

 

"To the best of my knowledge the information sought does not fall within the restrictions contained in Section 8 and 9 of the Act and it pertains to your office."

 

If you are applying to a state government PIO, and if you do not understand the local language (believe me; it has happened to one of our members--Mr. Edmar), it will be ideal to specify in your application that you want the information in English. Otherwise chances are that you will end up with a reply in a local language and you won't even know if what you got was information or denial, unless somebody helps you out with translation.

 

These are just a few thoughts on the formalities of the RTI application. The major work however will be in the framing of appropriate questions, which depend more on the subject matter of the information being sought.

 

BUT HOW WOULD I KNOW WHICH CPIO/CAPIO I SHOULD CONTACT

 

Is there a complete list of all CPIOsand CAPIOs on the website?

 

Should not we have list of all Govt. Offices in the country, available on the internet?

 

It should have Telephone numbers and addresses, so that in many cases by directily speaking to the concerned officer, one can have the information, even without filing an application.

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karira
BUT HOW WOULD I KNOW WHICH CPIO/CAPIO I SHOULD CONTACT

 

Is there a complete list of all CPIOsand CAPIOs on the website?

 

Should not we have list of all Govt. Offices in the country, available on the internet?

 

It should have Telephone numbers and addresses, so that in many cases by directily speaking to the concerned officer, one can have the information, even without filing an application.

 

NRUSINGH,

 

1. That is why the RTI Act asks the PA to do certain things like put up boards, give wide publicity, etc.

May I ask you how many boards with PIO and AA names have you seen in the offices that you visited last month ?

I had to use the RTI Act to make a department put up boards in all its offices ! (One officer got so mad at me that instead of a board, he has painted the information on the wall)

Kushal has pointed out a website but it has very little information.

 

2. Sure we should have the names of offices and PIO/AA on the net.

But, please have a look at the Governments own portal for RTI:

RTI Portal — RTI Portal

It is outdated, links not working etc...

I sent NIC a email on the id given on the portal but no reply.

Should I use the RTI Act to make the government update its own website ?

 

3. The only way is to search (on the net) OR ask (members of this forum) and pray that someone helps you. OR use ones legs to walk to the office and proudly ask "Who is the PIO under the RTI Act in this office ?"

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mpai
NRUSINGH,

 

2. Sure we should have the names of offices and PIO/AA on the net.

But, please have a look at the Governments own portal for RTI:

RTI Portal — RTI Portal

It is outdated, links not working etc...

I sent NIC a email on the id given on the portal but no reply.

Should I use the RTI Act to make the government update its own website ?

 

Instead of sending a mail to NIC, maybe you might like to send a mail or complaint letter to the Ms Rita Khurana, Secretary of the CIC who is handling such kind of complains. Earlier Mr PK Gera used to handle this. A simple email to him was enough and he used to send a letter to the PA immediately. Mr Gera was transfered back to Gujarat State early this year.

 

 

Manoj

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ganpat1956

Recently I came across the following decision of the CIC : No.CIC/OK/A/2007/00364 Dated: 10 September 2007.

 

" The PIO of the Institute provided the information asked for and sent the letter on 22 January 2007. However, this letter was returned by the postal authorities saying that the addressee did not reside at that address. The address of the letter seems to be the same as the one given by the Appellant in his RTI-application. However, the Commission noted that in this letter, the Appellant had also mentioned his mobile as well as the landline telephone numbers. It now directs the Respondents to get in touch with the Appellant on phone, get the proper mailing address from him and direct their communication to this address."

 

This gives us a clue that mentioning your mobile/landline telephone numbers in your RTI application along with your address is always helpful.

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Abhinav Bohare

Very nice thread

 

All I can say is that apart from knowing what to write one should know what NOT to write

 

Thanks

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karira
...................

 

This gives us a clue that mentioning your mobile/landline telephone numbers in your RTI application along with your address is always helpful.

 

Thanks Ganpat for highlighting this to all members/guests.

I have been doing the same for last 4 months and some PIO's have

reciprocated by asking me to list their numbers on my phone book too.

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mpai
Thanks Ganpat for highlighting this to all members/guests.

I have been doing the same for last 4 months and some PIO's have

reciprocated by asking me to list their numbers on my phone book too.

Never forget to add your email id.

 

These days, I seem to get better response by email.

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skohari

Firstly, I would like to thank all the members here to have initiated this conversation. I had a lot of friends visit this site and because most of the latest conversations then were at a higher (and deeper!) level of RTI, they could not get started. I am hoping we can have more such conversations and try to take our portal to more people. Do we have any initiatives other than our portal to help people help themselves?

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ganpat1956
Firstly, I would like to thank all the members here to have initiated this conversation. I had a lot of friends visit this site and because most of the latest conversations then were at a higher (and deeper!) level of RTI, they could not get started. I am hoping we can have more such conversations and try to take our portal to more people.

Dear skohari,

The various threads in this post have been the result of active participation of our members. Perhaps it is possible that new comers to the field of RTI may find some of the threads having higher level of discussions and interpretations. Please advise all such friends to go through the news & discussions & success stories besides the FAQ section during the initial days. This will enable them to get used to the various concepts of RTI and then it will be easy for them to navigate around the other sections of the forum.

Do we have any initiatives other than our portal to help people help themselves?
As a number of queries on various other issues besides RTI were posed to us in the forum , last month, we have launched a separate site bighelpers.org This will serve as a community portal to discuss social problems other than RTI. You can use this link to access the same. Big Helpers Website launched, click here to Join!

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karira
Instead of sending a mail to NIC, maybe you might like to send a mail or complaint letter to the Ms Rita Khurana, Secretary of the CIC who is handling such kind of complains. Earlier Mr PK Gera used to handle this. A simple email to him was enough and he used to send a letter to the PA immediately. Mr Gera was transfered back to Gujarat State early this year.

 

 

Manoj

 

Manoj,

 

I have sent 3 emails to CIC (marked cc to all id's which are available on the website) just to request for a simple change in the web page address of APSIC, as given on the CIC links page, etc.

It has been mentioned incorrectly as http://www.scic.ap.gov.in/

when the correct web page is: _:: Welcome to SCIC ::_

No reply and no change of the link till date.

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mpai
Manoj,

 

I have sent 3 emails to CIC (marked cc to all id's which are available on the website) just to request for a simple change in the web page address of APSIC, as given on the CIC links page, etc.

It has been mentioned incorrectly as http://www.scic.ap.gov.in/

when the correct web page is: _:: Welcome to SCIC ::_

No reply and no change of the link till date.

For any changes, modification or suggestions for the CIC site, please send a mail to Paul of NIC who is handling the issue.

 

His email id is paul (at) nic dot in

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murgie

Also before finalizing any draft of an RTI request please visit the CIC site, and use its SEARCH facility to identify rulings involving similar subject-matter or the same PIO or AA or public authority. This yields enormous insight into the RTI Act that those of us who are not legally trained are apt to overlook. More in earlier thread (http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/2128-rti-resource-cic-website-needs-known-more-widely.html'>http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/2128-rti-resource-cic-website-needs-known-more-widely.html). Best, -Murgie

 

Also see thread in http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/2128-rti-resource-cic-website-needs-known-more-widely.html

 

Going to the CIC website, and using SEARCH within that site to identify rulings referring to related subject matter, or the same PIO or AA or PA, can also help yield insight into (a) subtleties in the language of the RTI Act that those of us who are not legally trained are apt to miss or regard as unimportant (b) arguments or language favoured or not favoured by the IC. Best, -Murgie

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edgarnevis

Could somebody pls direct me to a sample rti application not just the format.

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ganpat1956

As the details of info sought vary, only a broad outline of how to draft an application can be given here in this thread. There are several individual applications that have been discussed in this forum as well as in the blogs of our members. Officially too, we have come out with one sample application which can be downloaded at RTI India: The Complete Information and Resource Regarding Right to Information of India - home

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dr.a

FORM -A

Form of application for seeking Information

(See rule 3)

 

 

The Competent Authority

Ministry of Urban Development

Govt. of India,

New Delhi -110 001

 

 

1.Name of the Applicant :Dr.A

2.Address:

3. Phone:

4. Fax:

5. e-Mail :

6.Particulars of the information required:

(a) Concerned Department: Ministry of Urban Development and

Municipality Corporation of Delhi

(b) Required information: i) Whether the officials of the MCD, South District are aware that RWA, C-1 Safdarjang Development Area has erected barricade i.e. overhead fixed barriers and gates on the public road at the entry point of Sahoday Sr. Sec. School?

ii) Whether any permission from MCD has been granted to RWA, Safdarjung Development Area for such unlawful activities?

iii) Whether MCD is empowered to erection and removal of above-mentioned barricades?

iv) Whether Traffic Police and RWA are allowed to construct such type of bars, barricade and gates on their own wish and withoust any intimation or NOC of any other institution may be affected with such construction?

7. I STATE THAT THE INFORMATION REQUIRED DOES NOT FALL WITHIN THE RESTRICTION CONTAINED IN THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT, 2005 AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE IT PERTAINS TO YOUR OFFICE.

8. A fee of Rs. 10/-(Rs. Ten only) has been paid vide postal order no. 56E 683304-dated 10-03-07 in favor of the office of the competent authorities.

 

NEW DELHI

15-05-2007 Signature

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dr.a

under ine part is your question..

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wagh7

Dear friends,

 

 

I want to tell that along with Rs.10/- application fee, the approximate postal expenditure Rs.40/- and we can just estimate the document fee i.e. Rs.2/- per page or any thing applicable for that state (as we will be roughly knowing how many pages it will be ) so we can calculate and we can add a little more and send a Demand Draft along with application it self, so that you can avoid delay for getting information.

 

So that Pio will be binded to supply the information without waiting for payment, because generally PIOs intimate applicants for cost of document and postal expenditure when 30 days are comming to complete. And then it takes One week to two weeks for the purpose of sending fees and receiving information.

 

So, I suggested an advance fees can be paid along with written application which we are writing on plain paper as suggested in above posts.

 

rakatkam.

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