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  1. 5 points
    dear friends. with the help and support of many of you,I could ensure a due pension to around 3200 ex Indian Naval sailors. Around 100 RTI applications,40 first appeals and 5 second appeals,during the period since 2012. I could dig out copies of orders of the GOI as old as 1976. Finally all these materials were used for our legal fight before the honorable supreme court. Even though,the SC had given a favorable judgment in 2016,the actual payment of pension has started only in 2019. The concerned authorities had diluted the SC orders in this regards, and not paid the due entitlements fully and the case is still going on. But all this we could achieve,only because of the RTI Act,and the numerous rti applications from time to time. This forum has helped me in clearing my doubts from time to time. I was lucky enough to get associated with this forum almost from the beginning. Thanks to all for providing a wonderful platform for a great cause.
  2. 4 points
    Write to him directly and seek all those success stories and stepping stones in his biography. He can definitely respond. Search in google and create a library with all those material.
  3. 3 points
    Focus on what an appellant can do and forget these routine highhandedness of ICs. Because it is the first time, you might have felt bad, and this is usual and most of the ICs are biased. If you wanted real remedy, take the lead and file writ after receiving decision. Sitting or standing is not important, even some persons were are imprisoned on false charges for seeking information under RTI as public authorities are having such power. Getting information is the only priority, focus on that, ignore others as some persons are having attitude, power, arrogance issues and just pity them for lack of minimum decency towards a citizen that has taken up larger public interest sacrificing his time and money.
  4. 3 points
    Hearing in First Appeal is not mandatory. In Case No. CIC/AD/A/2013/000875-SA, orderes delivered on 14.6.2014 it is observed that there is not a whisper about hearing by FAA in RTI Act, 2005. There is also no provision under the Act to prescribe procedures with regard to the manner in which FAA has to conduct & decide the First Appeal. It is also mentioned in that Order that it is duty of the FAA to consider written appeal of the Appellant even if he is not present on the date of hearing and decide on the basis of the material available. Even appearance before the Second Appellate Authority i.e. SIC is not mandatory, as per State Information Commissioner(Appeal Rules), 2005 (Section 7 of the R.T.I. Rules) (Central Act 22 of 2005) ..
  5. 3 points
    Sir, Am sharing some relevant files with you as requested. All of them can be quoted. Also sharing with you the draft of the RTI- you can refer to the life and liberty clause as stated below. This is for ready use. Best Regards, Andy Public Information Officers, Please note: If you wish to deny any of the above items or part thereof, please give reasons for such rejection citing the proper subsections of Section 8, 9 or 11. This is required as per Section 7 (8) of RTI Act. Your Kind attention is invited to the following: - 1) Clause 7(1) of the RTI Act wherein it has been clarified that the information concerning life and liberty is to be provided within 48 Hours. 2) Recent decisions of the Central Information Commissioner in following cases wherein the CIC has decided that information on Pension Matters is to be treated as concerning Life & Liberty: a. CIC/BS/A/2016/001238, in case titled Amrika Bai v/o PIO, EPFO, Raipur decided on 30.03.2017 wherein it has been held as under: - Para 9- The moment RTI Application on Pension Issue is received, there should be a mechanism at the entry stage to discover and identify it reflects a pension related grievance/issue and then should act immediately. Para 10 – Not only the CPIO, even the other authorities under RTI Act like the first appeal /second appellate authorities also should dispose such appeals involving pension issues within 48 Hours. Para 16 – The commission also requires as per section 19(8)(a) (I, III, IV) of RTI Act, the public authority to consider pension related information as life and liberty concerned information b. CIC/BS/A/2016/000307, in case titled V. Balaraman v/s PIO, EPFO, Thiruvananthapuram decided on 4.07.2017, wherein the above orders of CIC as at 2 (a) above have been reiterated that the information related to the pension matters must be provided within 48 hours as the same is concerning life and liberty. c. CIC/BS/C/2015/000157, in case titled V. Vaidyanathan v/s PIO, EPFO, Mumbai decided on 17.07.2017, wherein the above orders of CIC as at 2(a) above have again been reiterated that the information relating to Pension matters must be provided within 48 hours as the same is concerning life and liberty. You are therefore, requested to provide duly attested /certified photocopies (see Chapter 1, clause (2) (j) (ii) of the RTI act 2005) of the aforesaid documents on A-4 paper sheets under RTI Act 2005 within 48 Hours as decided by the CIC (see Sr. no. 2 above). 48 Hours Clause can be invoked.pdf 2017-06-28-193000321_Vaidyanathan_V.pdf news letter 4 UPDATED AS ON 3 JULY 2017 BY SECRETARY.pdf Pension_RTI_GBT_3634.pdf Pension_RTI_PK_2962.pdf Show_Cause-307_Balaraman_V.pdf
  6. 3 points
    Please find attached herewith the CIC decision wherein it had ruled as follows: prefixing of why & what doesnt debar applicant from receiving info..pdf
  7. 3 points
    FAA's obligation is to direct his subordinate Public Information Officer suitably to follow such stipulations in RTI Act, if he finds from first appellant has stated any grounds of violation. Information should always be from Public Information officer. You can ask a friend or relative from different station to file RTI Application seeking information as follows: Information solicited: 1.Please provide the copy of office notes/directions that state the reasons for putting on hold the recruitment of Deputy Managers, Assistant Managers (desk top). 2.Please inform whether there is an obligation on public authority to inform developments to the aspiring candidates, without giving scope for each candidate filing individual RTI Applications. 3.Please provide the link if the matter is put on website about suspending such recruitment. 4.Inform further plan of action for recruitment in future if available on record if any.
  8. 3 points
    Unfortunately every citizen is having his own personal matters to be taken care of and hardly have personal time to spend with families at a place like Mumbai. In addition this goondaism and group fights , extortions and threatening are usual. BMC corporators are more powerful than MLAs of other districts. If any citizen is having such time, he should file RTI Application and seek information on full details of unauthorised construction, locational address, present status, action taken, pending in Court and the officials responsible for such negligence in duties. In this forum, I have seen such extra ordinary follow up through RTI and then bringing into logical conclusion through PIL by our esteemed member Mr.Bali and he has contributed more insights into tackling this problem. Because of his vast knowledge, perseverance, he could do that at his personal expenses in Punjab state, but in Mumbai we can never dream of that. Why only Mumbai, it is there in Thane, Kalyan and even in Dombvilli also.
  9. 3 points
    Your drafting is good and even an expert can not suggest better points. Just mention the subject matter with more clarity in one sentence. Complaint dt........................from......................against dy. Registrar, orders Ref....................No....................Implementation status. The queries are more than enough. Congratulations for perseverance in focussing on many issues as required in RTI.
  10. 3 points
    An applicant is not concerned with their internal correspondence, he is concerned only of getting information within the time frame fixed under RTI and he has to focus on further step undeterred by their internal jurisdictional issues.
  11. 3 points
    Description of Information Required: In-accordance with the provision of section 2(j)(i) of the RTI Act, kindly provide me with an inspection of all the documents with respect to the following: (a) (b) (c) Please note that, during the process of aforesaid inspection, I shall select the required information, kindly do provide me with a certified photocopy of such selected information on payment of prescribed fees.
  12. 3 points
    1.Please permit me to inspect the following records pertaining to .....................................................(File notes/documents).and for providing certified copies selected by me under RTI . a b Please propose two convenient dates and provide such permission atleast ten days in advance.
  13. 3 points
    In younger age, everything appears beautiful either a child or new articles. In 2017, none of the members remembered the forum and the Anniversary passed silently without any wishes or celebrations. It is only time that erases the memory. But in short span, most of the experts stored huge information that will be useful for another decade. Though they do not visit regularly, their past contribution still helps every member. The success and rejoice of the forum is not confined to a single day, and every day someone should be benefitted by the forum. Every day is for celebration if members succeed through their learning and guidance..
  14. 2 points
    When PIOs do not want to part with information, without application of mind, they will select all 8 (1) clauses one by one to deny information. Mere quoting of section and denying information is not lawful denial. They have to justify as to how such exemption clause applies to this specific information now being provided in the query.. Unless you provide the exact query, it is not possible to guide you on 8 (1) (d) you have to inform name of public authority also. Application of 11 as exemption is unknown. It is only formal letter written to third party seeking objections if any as courtesy and that is not binding on PIO and when larger public interest is involved there are never any exemptions. It is not clear as to whether they have referred your application to third party and also informed you of his objections if any. Subjudice is never a reason for denial. TO use such exemption, the court should order for not disclosing that information specifically and then only it can be rejected. I could find these smart tricks only of one Public sector oil company notorious in their RTI implementation Appellant should always stress larger public interest and transparency and acccountability, and PIO can not claim any exemption.
  15. 2 points
    The most learned in Gurus, Sri C.J.Karira, who is the main architect of this forum and a valiant fighter for RTI till recently. His contribution to the forum is immense and without mentioning him RTI is not complete. Just check for his contribution to the forum, it is a diamond mine, free for all for digging.
  16. 2 points
    OTS accepted by bank for Rs.50000/= in 2003 but prooceds deposited in 2004 without closing the account. The applicant asked for “No dues Certificate”. It was refused. The Bank took the possession of Car under SARFAESI Act-2002 & sold it. The customer was not informed the facts. He considered that the car was stolen & filed claim with Insurance co. The Co. Finalized claim & deposited it to A/C holder’s account. Again the fact was not informed. A civil Suit was filed on wrong affidavit concealing the facts. It was also informed to court that documents demanded by A/C holder were destroyed as per policy. On this affidavit the case was dismissed. The applicant asked information/ documents of the account including account statement in 2012 which was provided in July 2019 at the stage of IInd appeal with CIC. The destruction of record & other facts pleaded by Bank were taken seriously by CIC & a show cause notice was issued alongwith penalty of Rs. 25000/= was imposed. The CPIO was advised to provide all the information within 10 days. Thus violation of provision was proved by inordinate delay & concealing information. The A/C holder/ Applicant received OTS without further payment. RTI IS A POWERFUL WEAPON.
  17. 2 points
    1.Servuce History of an employee is within employer and employee and has nothing to do with larger public interest, and as per earlier decisions it is not within ambit of RTI. Unless you can establish larger public interest like obtaining employment through fake documents , removal of essential documents, not recording of earlier corruptive actions and on disciplinary issues, you can never get such information from any Public authority. 2.. AP Govt has not brought RTI on line and once the application is submitted through Regd post and tracked through indiapost website, there is no opportunity for PIO to escape from his obligations, and even if he remains silent then there is further FIRST APPEAL PROCESS on "Deemed denial" if reply is not received from SPIO within 30 days from receipt of RTI Application. 3.APSRTC is now brought within state government and the process is not completed.
  18. 2 points
    You can file a complaint with the Information Commission u/s. 18 of the RTI Act. Kindly refer to the blog on the following link: http://jps50.blogspot.com/2009/03/non-compliance-of-orders-of-information.html
  19. 2 points
    1.RTI Act has not stipulated any time limit for filing complaints and the rules state "Complaint should be filed within reasonable period", what is reasonable has to be decided by IC. and in the forum, so far no one has complained about rejection of complaints by IC. 2.Please go through Sec.18, First appeal is not required for making complaint. (Remember that a complainant is not entitled for information from PIO, he can only pray for penalty against PIO and which is once again the discretion of IC, and in less than .5% of complaints, IC has decided to levy the penalty.
  20. 2 points
    Focus only on information. If you feel that information is urgent and important, do avail every opportunity thrown to you without further arguments. If you wanted to go for appeal go for first appeal stating the following grounds. First Appeal dt........................under RTI Act Before: Against: Brief facts: Appellant solicited information in the form of a letter for queries No.............and PIO instead of providing information vide his letter dt.............directed appellant for inspection. Grounds for Appeal: As per Sec. 7 (9) "information shall ordinarily be provided in the form in which it is sought unless it would disproportionately. divert the resources of public authority or would be detrimental to the safety of preservation of the record.". The same was reiterated in several CIC decisions.. As the information was not provided in the form it is requested, and PIO has chosen his own form and directed appellant to come for inspection, without caring for the convenience of appellant, the response of PIO is not proper and not satisfactory. PRAYER: Appellant prays for directions to PIO to provide that information as solicited in application. Appellant
  21. 2 points
    The only remedy is making a written complaint to BMC with such photographs and original sanctioned plans and specifically pointing out deviations, use of property for commercial purpose etc. Then for waiting for two months and filing writ mandamus before HC.
  22. 2 points
    Please refer to the blog on the following link and prepare the grounds of your first appeal: https://rtiindia.org/blogs/entry/756-disproportionate-diversion-of-resources/
  23. 2 points
    Sir, Apologies for not providing details RTI Appplication Information Solicited: [1] Please provide me the CCTV entire available data footage data between 10 a.m to 11.a.m as on June 03, 2019 for all the installations at B4 Police Station, Town South, Town East ,AWPS and Town West Police Station,Nagapattinam.Please provide entire data in electronic form. Quoted the excerpts form TNSIC Decision " if you PIO denies CCTV footage, CCTV footage has to preserved till the end of SA hearing" TNSIC SA 637/A/2018 & TNSIC and SA 8543/A/2017 TNSIC in a different case requesting CCTV footage at police stations,earlier ordered that if the Appellant (myself) requested for CCTV data, it should be provided SA 8543/A/2017 Note: 1.If you deny the CCTV footage data for this application, please do not delete the CCTV footage data until the decision of State Information Commission /High Court Decision
  24. 2 points
    You have lost the coin in Kashmir and searching it at Kanyakumari. This community forum is dedicated for guiding citizens in seeking information from public authorities under RTI and members are like you and me. This forum is not having relations with any Government/party. RTI is not a complaint redressal / investigation and you can only seek information available in material form from public authoriies. You can either refer the matter to a higher official in Registration dept., post it as grievance in their on line portal or complain to ACB.
  25. 2 points
    An applicant is having right to information alone, and the penalty is in between the PIO and IC and appellant has no role to play. That penalty can never come to appellant as wrongly perceived. Insisting for imposition of penalty may spoil the relations, when one expects smooth relations without hurting. It is very difficult to establish deliberate denial with fraudulent motives by PIO.
  26. 2 points
    IC is not supposed to revise/modify/aleter or re look into delivered decision. The action is not proper. File RTI Application and seek information from SC as follows: 10Please provide Certified copy sthat states the powers of IC in changing a decision delivered, without once again hearing appellant.
  27. 2 points
    Kindly go through RERA act by downloading the Act from google, and you can find from stipulations as to whether your query is proper or not.
  28. 2 points
    First Appeal hearing is not mandatory, and not stated in RTI Act even if demanded many FAAs never permit appellant for hearing in several public authorities. As a courtesy just thank him for giving the opportunity, express regrets stating your inability to appear for hearing and either ask him to decide on merits or give another date for attending hearing. Definitely, first appeal hearing gives better opportunities of getting information.
  29. 2 points
    1.A PIO is expected to provide that information available in material form that is in his custody. Once it is uploaded, it is not in custody of the PIO and in public domain. In view of this, experts in the forum advised members to seek such information in the form of certified copies. 2.For you there are two options. a)File fresh application and seek such information in the form of certified copies, so that PIO can himself check whether it is in public domain or not. b)after receiving such information file first appeal on first RTI, that PIO has provided misleading information that the information is uploaded in website though it is not available. 3.Or go for first appeal, seek first hearing in person, and let PIO present that information downloaded from website of the FAA's office himself. (If you have smart phone, do carry that with another hard copy of that information which is uploaded in website without information solicited by you.
  30. 2 points
    You have been recognised as regular member with more than 156 posts, and filing applications with more than 10 different authorities, and by this time you have acquired more than an average RTI applicant and well versed with the facts. Reduce number of queries and seek guidance only in case of douts and no need to report developments on day to day basis. Only in case of genuine doubts and want sincere guidance, please use the forum for such posts.
  31. 2 points
    Namaskaram Prasad Ji. Thank you for answering the original question pertaining to RTI. Also thank you for your valuable inputs. What you say makes complete sense and it esp. when you say that “After all the errant officials are your own colleagues and might committed mistake without expecting any unlawful gain. Live and let live and focus on your issue”. The first step when a mistake is committed is to own it up. “To maintain a fault known is a double fault.” A genuine and inadvertent error can be condoned on compassionate grounds provided when such an error is brought to light, genuine intent is displayed to rectify the issue and contain the damage. Not otherwise. The perspective that you have given is a valid one and finds resonance within me. It also gives me strength to file a detailed response so that the details of the case are known esp. to those who are in a similar situation. Please allow such a response. This is a Pension Recovery Case, the rules governing the Pension Disbursal and Recovery are very well codified. “If a payment is made over and above eligibility, any one is having such rights to recover the amount paid by mistake”. It is not illegal. My comment: Pension cannot be equated as Payment. Earlier the right to Pension was a fundamental right and also a property right. When property right was repealed as a fundamental right by the 44th Amendment, It became a Constitutional Right protected under Article 300 A enforceable by law. “Recovering the amount paid by mistake is not illegal”- true; However, Recovering Pension Overpayment amount after continually making overpayment beyond 5 years is in direct contravention to several supreme court judgements and is not legally tenable. More so, in every case, due process of law must be followed. Recovery cannot be made arbitrarily. Pension overpayment and an overpayment by cashier may appear similar in terms of human behaviour- but it isn’t. These two scenarios are completely different. Cash overpayment on counter can purely be an inadvertent human error – but pension disbursal is a highly controlled well-defined process with multiple checks and balances. The probability of making such overpayment is highly minimized if correct inputs (such as: Date of retirement, Date of birth, PPO Number, DA, years of service, commuted amount etc) are fed in the process; Bank has every right to induce pressure in case of un-intended benefits accrued by such a mistake to any beneficiary. However, if you find a Pension overpayment that has happened for over 5 years, you will almost always find that either the Bank or the Pension Sanctioning Authority has overlooked and has been non-compliant to the well-defined sacrosanct procedures that are mandatorily to be followed. In such cases, it is no longer a case of innocuous human error but of wilful negligence. In our case the bank has completely overlooked the procedures mentioned as per Circular No. 57, Dt. 17, September, 2008, issued by PCDA (P); Specifically, Para 10 of the Circular directs the bank to share every case of pension consolidation done by the bank to the PCDA (P). This was never done. This observation comes from the stakeholders themselves: the CAG & PCDA (P). I have gone through the case reference mentioned: Jammu & Kashmir Bank Ltd vs Attar-Ul-Nissa & Others on 7 October, 1966; this is not applicable in our case. I hope this is the one that you were referring to. Without going into too much technical details here the overall process is: The Banks consolidate the Pension as per circulars issued by PCDA (P) and disburse the amount to the Pensioner. Later the Bank sends the advice of the payment made to the RBI and receives the reimbursement made only by the Central Accounts Section (CAS) of the RBI located at Nagpur. So, let’s say the pension consolidation done by the bank indicates that the pensioner should receive 60,000 as pension amount. If there is a Pension Recovery happening- the bank would deduct 20,000 and disburse 40,000 to the Pensioner. This recovery is as per the RBI authorization. (Refer to the RBI Circular: RBI/2017-18/1 DGBA.GBD.No.-1/31.05.001/2017-18). So, the bank is not recovering from my account once the credit is available. They are deducting the recovery amount at source- pretty much the way the TDS (Tax deduction at source) works. “No one can benefit on mistakes and use it for unlawful gains”- Again in complete agreement with this. What you say is correct. This is the exact question and perspective that has been looked into through several SC Judgements. The Rafiq Masih’s Case words this more cogently: Quote “ Merely on account of the fact, that the release of these monetary benefits was based on a mistaken belief at the hands of the employer, and further, because the employees had no role in the determination of the employer, could it be legally feasible, for the private respondents to assert, that they should be exempted from refunding the excess amount received by them”? Unquote However, as said earlier, this notion and perspective of unlawful gains has been covered many times in several SC judgements. These necessarily have to be mentioned here to dispel the highly over-simplified view of things and would need a detailed response. The SC provisions for such a recovery if it is found within the first 5 years of overpayment. Beyond that, it does not permit such recovery. The Pensioner has never been told about his correct entitlement of Pension; Neither by the PCDA (P) nor by the Bank. There is a complete blatant disregard again by the Bank in issuing of Pension Slips – please refer to RBI letter No. DGBA.GAD. No. H-10975/45.05.031/2006-07 dated January 9, 2007, in this regard. As per this the Pensioner must be issued a Pension Slip so that the Pensioner knows about his correct entitlement. The bank is in possession of these documents but the Pensioner has never been given / made known his correct entitlement. A case can be made stating that the Pensioner ought to make efforts to know the correctness of his Pension. In this case the Bank was asked for the Pension Slips- and it didn’t provide any. So- in such cases, whatever the amount accrued as Pension was taken as the correct entitlement. It can be argued whether such an excess was used for “Unlawful Gains”. However, the lapses and errors of omission and commission done by the bank cannot be ignored or condoned. However, the process of making such recovery cannot be arbitrary. Due process of law must be followed in case of any recovery. All this and more perspectives have been completely though over in several judgments of the Supreme Court in cases of Pension Recovery due to Overpayment. These are:- a) State of Punjab and others Vs. Rafiq Masih reported in 2015 (4) SCC 334 – wherein recoveries by the employers would be impermissible in law where the excess payment has been made for a period in excess of five years, before the order of recovery is issued. The OM issued by DOPT : F.No. 1 8/03/20 1 5-Estt. (Pay-I) has been issued citing this judgement and it clearly states that no recovery from pension can be made in violation of the Judgment of Rafiq Masih b) ShyamBabu Verma Vs. Union of India reported in 1994 SC (2) 521, wherein a three Judge Bench of SC held that no steps should be taken to recover or adjust any excess amount paid to the employees due to the fault of the respondents c) Syed Abdul Qadir and others Vs. State. Of Bihar and others reported in (2009) 3 SCC 475, where in a three Judge Bench of the SC held that the relief against recovery is granted by courts not because of any right in the employees, but in equity, exercising judicial discretion to relieve the employees from the hardship that will be caused if recovery is ordered. d) The DPPI -2013 Instructions (Defence Pension Payment Instructions), section 103.2 issued by PCDA (P), Allahabad clearly prohibits the banks from initiating recovery of overpayment of pensions not detected within 12 months of the date of first erroneous charge without the orders of PCDA(P). Every case of overpayment detected should be reported to the PCDA(Pensions), which in turn shall decide himself or shall obtain orders of the competent authority, Govt. of India as the case may be. It further states that to avoid hardship to the pensioner, payment for the current period, however should be continued to the pensioner at the correct rate admissible. Please note that the Pension Disbursing Bank is just an agent and is under direct instructions by the Pension Sanctioning Authority. It cannot act independently on its own. Some parts of the Rafiq Masih’s Judgement need to be Quoted to give a complete perspective: - “The Pensioner was not guilty of furnishing any incorrect information, which had led the concerned competent authority, to commit the mistake of making the higher payment to the employees. The payment of higher dues to the private respondents, in all these cases, was not on account of any misrepresentation made by them, nor was it on account of any fraud committed by them” – this is true in our case. It further states: “It will be our endeavour, to lay down the parameters of fact situations, wherein employees, who are beneficiaries of wrongful monetary gains at the hands of the employer, may not be compelled to refund the same. In our considered view, the instant benefit cannot extend to an employee merely on account of the fact, that he was not an accessory to the mistake committed by the employer; or merely because the employee did not furnish any factually incorrect information, on the basis whereof the employer committed the mistake of paying the employee more than what was rightfully due to him; or for that matter, merely because the excessive payment was made to the employee, in absence of any fraud or misrepresentation at the behest of the employee”. “ Having examined a number of judgments rendered by this Court, we are of the view, that orders passed by the employer seeking recovery of monetary benefits wrongly extended to employees, can only be interfered with, in cases where such recovery would result in a hardship of a nature, which would far outweigh, the equitable balance of the employer's right to recover. In other words, interference would be called for, only in such cases where, it would be iniquitous to recover the payment made. In order to ascertain the parameters of the above consideration, and the test to be applied, reference needs to be made to situations when this Court exempted employees from such recovery, even in exercise of its jurisdiction under Article 142 of the Constitution of India. Repeated exercise of such power, "for doing complete justice in any cause" would establish that the recovery being effected was iniquitous, and therefore, arbitrary. And accordingly, the interference at the hands of this Court.” “The right to recover being pursued by the employer, will have to be compared, with the effect of the recovery on the concerned employee. If the effect of the recovery from the concerned employee would be, more unfair, more wrongful, more improper, and more unwarranted, than the corresponding right of the employer to recover the amount, then it would be iniquitous and arbitrary, to effect the recovery. In such a situation, the employee's right would outbalance, and therefore eclipse, the right of the employer to recover.” It is not possible to postulate all situations of hardship, which would govern employees on the issue of recovery, where payments have mistakenly been made by the employer, in excess of their entitlement. Be that as it may, based on the decisions referred to herein above, we may, as a ready reference, summarise the following few situations, wherein recoveries by the employers, would be impermissible in law: (i) Recovery from employees belonging to Class-III and Class-IV service (or Group 'C' and Group 'D' service). (ii) Recovery from retired employees, or employees who are due to retire within one year, of the order of recovery. (iii) Recovery from employees, when the excess payment has been made for a period in excess of five years, before the order of recovery is issued. (iv) Recovery in cases where an employee has wrongfully been required to discharge duties of a higher post, and has been paid accordingly, even though he should have rightfully been required to work against an inferior post. (v) In any other case, where the Court arrives at the conclusion, that recovery if made from the employee, would be iniquitous or harsh or arbitrary to such an extent, as would far outweigh the equitable balance of the employer's right to recover. That completes the reference to the Rafiq Masih’s Judgement by Apex Court. Regarding Arbitrariness, as stated earlier- 1. No show cause notice was issued to the pensioner prior to commencing the recovery 2. No order of recovery has been issued by any competent authority. In the end the long detailed response may seem disproportionate keeping in mind the brevity of inputs received from you; However, this case is not an isolated one. This is just a tip of the iceberg. If you think the above response is exaggerated, you can check the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India on Disbursement of Defence Pension for the year ended March 2016 (Performance Audit No. 26 of 2017). This Audit Report is submitted to the Presidents Office. It states “Deficiencies in the pension disbursement system: We observed that the transmission errors as well as other mistakes in the banks, which account for nearly 75 per cent of the pension disbursements, had resulted in numerous cases of underpayments and overpayments”. “As per records of the PCDA (P) Allahabad, there were 24, 61,651 defence pensioners as on 01/04/2015, which increased to 25,00,631 on 01/04/2016”. The mathematics can be done! All the documents and references cited above are available in public domain. Apologies, shall restrict further posts on matter pertaining to RTI only. Lest any specific questions are asked pertaining to the background of the case while filing the RTI. Regards, Andy
  32. 2 points
    For the purpose of RTI Act, the Co-operative Societies can be broadly classified into two types: (1) Bodies owned, controlled or substantially financed by a Govt. etc. (i.e. Societies which fall under the definition of public authority as given under section 2 (h) of the RTI Act); and (2) Bodies which do not fall under the definition of section 2 (h) of the RTI Act i.e. Private Bodies. The first type of Co-operative Societies are public authorities and therefore directly covered under the RTI Act; by virtue of section 2(h) of the RTI Act; and The second type of Co-operative Societies are covered indirectly under the RTI Act, by virtue of the definition of section 2(f) of the RTI Act. In other words, both the type of Co-operative Societies are covered under the RTI Act, one directly under section 2(h) and the other indirectly under section 2(f). Please find para 52 from the decision of Hon'ble Supreme Court in Civil Appeal No. 9017 of 2013 quoted below:
  33. 2 points
    The PIO is quoting very old Judgment. It was held in CIC decisions that if the information is available on record in material form it has to be provided, as RTI Act never stipulated any form of seeking information. For example: Who is Prime Minister of india is interrogative form Please provide the name of the Prime Minister of India is a simple sentence. If PIO has in his records material form naming such PM, he can not reject the information on grounds that it is interrogative. PIO can only deny information as per exemptions stated in Sec.8 or Sec.9 of RTI Act. Either you can file simple RTI to same PIO or go for first appeal so that you can educate Public Authority PF who is not still knowing fundamentals even after 14 years after RTI came into force . Simple form: 1.Please inform the reasons for delay in transfer of PF from.................to................. 2.Please inform time frame fixed under citizen charter for making such transfers. 3.Inform the name of the employee, and his supervisor, designations, mobile numbers and full address that are purposefully delaying transfer and neglecting their duties.
  34. 2 points
    We expect that positive success stories from our members and we take pride in those members achievements. CONGRATULATIONS.
  35. 2 points
    What can you do by knowing that information? Such displaced families are more, the affected people are many, there was no problem as everyone was accommodated. They have a powerful union/association and they have links to know status and developments themselves as they are concerned. Jump into the fray, only when you can bring a change through logical conclusion and do not expose yourself on petty things that cannot make any difference. Do not think that your repeated representations are of no use, get them solved through the interference of welfare association and meeting concerned officials in a group. In police, discipline is the priority, and I have not come across any broad-minded superior who considers their subordinates are also citizens. Our actions should bring results and should not drag us to further problems. Still, if you wanted to go on hunting for the information, seek such information as follows: Information solicited: 1. Please provide the reasons on the record for the abnormal delay in commencing housing project for police quarters at................................................ 2.The present status and plan of action to complete the quarters within a time frame.
  36. 2 points
    File another first appeal writing on top as ADDENDUM TO FIRST APPEAL. Addendum to First Appeal dt.1st Jun, 2019. (First Appeal dt.....received by FAA on 28-05-2019, pending with FAA, FAA orders not received till to-day) Against: State Public Information officer,............................. Appellant:......................................................... Brief facts: Applicant has solicited information on ...........and it was received by SPIO on 22-04-2019 2. As SPIO has not provided information the first appeal was filed on .....................and received by FAA on 28-05-2019 3. After receipt of the first appeal, SPIO has on 21-05-2089 posted on................stated that he can not reply to question in RTI Application raised in impetus as per Sec.2f. 4.As FAA has not decided the first appeal and delivered order this addendum to be treated as the First Appeal. GROUNDS for Appeal: This appellant is only aware of the following section relevant to PIO. Sec (7) (1) Subject to the provision of Sec. (2) of Section (5) to the proviso the subsection (d) of Section 6, the Central Public Information officer or state public information officer, as the case may be, on receipt of a request under sec.6 shall as expeditiously as possible and in any case within 30 days of receipt of the request. EITHER provide the information on payment of such fee as may be prescribed or REJECT the request for any of the reasons specified in Sec.8 and Sec.9" The denial should be only under Sec.8 or Sec.9 supported with such justification as per umpteen CIC/SIC decisions. PIO has neither provided information nor denied information and invented a new clause that was not stated in RTI for denial of information, which is highly improper and shows sheer negligence of a statutory obligation. Hence this first appeal, in the larger public interest as the information is not exempted under RTI and is available in material form. PRAYER: Appellant prays for directions to SPIO for providing the information free of cost as expeditiously as possible. Applicant.
  37. 2 points
    Certainly, you have done a crime. But your motive is not for any unlawful gain to you or unlawful loss to anyone. Though your friend's letter can not erase/wipe your crime, he is the affected person, and if he has no objection, nothing can happen to you. Do not fear and always use your own name. If you are worried about your safety, request your friend to sign his name as an applicant. Keep silent and nothing can happen. Never do that again.
  38. 2 points
    Make all attempts, do not assume things, let them state their objections if any. Continue your efforts and do not get doubts as you are not investing any huge amounts. It costs only Rs.22/- for a Registered post.
  39. 2 points
    Remember there were never restrictions in RTI Act in seeking any information and those exemptions with justification must be stated by PIO with his denial of information. Seek information as a right for any public record, if it is denied, before going for appeal come back for guidance. and prepare a pucca first appeal.
  40. 2 points
  41. 2 points
    One cannot argue with idiots. Go for second appeal as there is no justification for Public Authority's reason for such denial.
  42. 2 points
    You have never stated about the incomplete inspection and their orders for completing the inspection on some other day. Unless you get a confirmation in writing about the day, time and contact officer, never visit public authority's office. The security is performing its duty. They have to contact the concerned officer over the phone, prepare a pass with the signature of such officer, mentioning the purpose of the work, duration, etc., and after inspection, the concerned officer has to sign the pass and it should be returned back. You can also register your visit in the Visit book kept at the security gate. When you are in RTI, do not think of saving on postage as personal visits frequently to a public authority is not advisable. You are fortunate. Once I went for inspection to a Ministry at New Delhi after receiving such written permission, the concerned Addl. Secretary left to Dehradun for training. After traveling 32 hours I returned back empty handed and reduced the ordeals in writing, but there is no response from Addl. Secretary. These harassments are usual with Public Sector Oil companies and those officers are located far from the city in outskirts where you do not find transportation and even drinking water. The security personnel permits a citizen only if he is having a valid pass. Focus on information, these are most common.
  43. 2 points
    You can file RTI Application to State public Information officer TSCB and can solicit the information as follows: Information solicited: 1. Please provide the status of various projects undertaken by the board for construction of houses in the .......District. 2. Please provide the Brochure/Booklet/Circular that states the norms for allocating such houses. 3. Please provide No of applications received, accepted, rejected and finally selected, a vacant position as on 31-3-2019. 4. Please provide a copy of the beneficiaries list. NB: Please provide that information available in electronic data through CD and if the information is in hard copies provide that hard copy. Note to search website of TNSCB for format of RTI Application, CPIO particulars and RTI Fee mode of remittance.
  44. 2 points
    Attending personal hearing during the first appeal is not mandatory. I am not aware as to how PIO can ask you to appear for personal hearing when you have filed appeal before FAA. You may politely explain the same difficulty in writing by email to FAA and request him to excuse you from personal hearing, and pray for delivering orders supported with such reasons on the basis of record and grounds already stated in the first appeal. You may also file your arguments in writing and request him to consider the same for deciding the appeal. Do not be disturbed by the simple procedure, as personal hearing is not required in appeals under RTI.
  45. 2 points
    What is the link between this latest post and your issue on inspection, as PIO has provided the opportunity of inspection and after FAA orders?
  46. 2 points
    Dear Mr. Prasad GLN Thank You for your prompt and valuable reply. You have really been helpful and people like you keep the RTI movement alive. I am really grateful to you and wish you all the best. Regards
  47. 2 points
    If it is a recognized organization and if they submit such details to District Educational Officer, you have to file RTI Application to State Public Information Officer, District Educational Officer and seek such record submitted by the school authorities. You can get that record submitted by the school to DEO.
  48. 2 points
    Wait for the response for 30 days from receipt of your application by CE-PIO and let them decide as to who is the custodian. If the first PIO mentioned about First Appeal particulars, make a representation to him that both PIOs are passing on the ball game with the citizens and when the officials are not themselves aware of the fact shows the ignorance of their own departmental affairs and throws a bad light on the efficiency of the officers. Request him to direct the relevant PIO to provide the information. Search website of CE for the first appellate authority's name and address.
  49. 2 points
    No. It was a decided issue that Income particulars, PAN Numbers etc., are personal information that is exempted under Sec.8 (1) (j). Please go through the section. Remember that if you can establish larger public interest, there are no exemptions in RTI Act but you have to convince the Public Information officer.
  50. 2 points
    Members of the forum can not provide authentic information on such query without facts and circumstances. You can file RTI Application to the concerned State Public Information Officer, District Supdt of Police and can seek information. Information solicited: 1)Please provide the copy of manual/orders/ laid down norms for presenting an accused to the court for remand and those steps to be taken for modes of transport, various entries to be made etc.,
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