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  1. 5 points
    dear friends. with the help and support of many of you,I could ensure a due pension to around 3200 ex Indian Naval sailors. Around 100 RTI applications,40 first appeals and 5 second appeals,during the period since 2012. I could dig out copies of orders of the GOI as old as 1976. Finally all these materials were used for our legal fight before the honorable supreme court. Even though,the SC had given a favorable judgment in 2016,the actual payment of pension has started only in 2019. The concerned authorities had diluted the SC orders in this regards, and not paid the due entitlements fully and the case is still going on. But all this we could achieve,only because of the RTI Act,and the numerous rti applications from time to time. This forum has helped me in clearing my doubts from time to time. I was lucky enough to get associated with this forum almost from the beginning. Thanks to all for providing a wonderful platform for a great cause.
  2. 4 points
    Write to him directly and seek all those success stories and stepping stones in his biography. He can definitely respond. Search in google and create a library with all those material.
  3. 3 points
    Focus on what an appellant can do and forget these routine highhandedness of ICs. Because it is the first time, you might have felt bad, and this is usual and most of the ICs are biased. If you wanted real remedy, take the lead and file writ after receiving decision. Sitting or standing is not important, even some persons were are imprisoned on false charges for seeking information under RTI as public authorities are having such power. Getting information is the only priority, focus on that, ignore others as some persons are having attitude, power, arrogance issues and just pity them for lack of minimum decency towards a citizen that has taken up larger public interest sacrificing his time and money.
  4. 3 points
    Hearing in First Appeal is not mandatory. In Case No. CIC/AD/A/2013/000875-SA, orderes delivered on 14.6.2014 it is observed that there is not a whisper about hearing by FAA in RTI Act, 2005. There is also no provision under the Act to prescribe procedures with regard to the manner in which FAA has to conduct & decide the First Appeal. It is also mentioned in that Order that it is duty of the FAA to consider written appeal of the Appellant even if he is not present on the date of hearing and decide on the basis of the material available. Even appearance before the Second Appellate Authority i.e. SIC is not mandatory, as per State Information Commissioner(Appeal Rules), 2005 (Section 7 of the R.T.I. Rules) (Central Act 22 of 2005) ..
  5. 3 points
    Sir, Am sharing some relevant files with you as requested. All of them can be quoted. Also sharing with you the draft of the RTI- you can refer to the life and liberty clause as stated below. This is for ready use. Best Regards, Andy Public Information Officers, Please note: If you wish to deny any of the above items or part thereof, please give reasons for such rejection citing the proper subsections of Section 8, 9 or 11. This is required as per Section 7 (8) of RTI Act. Your Kind attention is invited to the following: - 1) Clause 7(1) of the RTI Act wherein it has been clarified that the information concerning life and liberty is to be provided within 48 Hours. 2) Recent decisions of the Central Information Commissioner in following cases wherein the CIC has decided that information on Pension Matters is to be treated as concerning Life & Liberty: a. CIC/BS/A/2016/001238, in case titled Amrika Bai v/o PIO, EPFO, Raipur decided on 30.03.2017 wherein it has been held as under: - Para 9- The moment RTI Application on Pension Issue is received, there should be a mechanism at the entry stage to discover and identify it reflects a pension related grievance/issue and then should act immediately. Para 10 – Not only the CPIO, even the other authorities under RTI Act like the first appeal /second appellate authorities also should dispose such appeals involving pension issues within 48 Hours. Para 16 – The commission also requires as per section 19(8)(a) (I, III, IV) of RTI Act, the public authority to consider pension related information as life and liberty concerned information b. CIC/BS/A/2016/000307, in case titled V. Balaraman v/s PIO, EPFO, Thiruvananthapuram decided on 4.07.2017, wherein the above orders of CIC as at 2 (a) above have been reiterated that the information related to the pension matters must be provided within 48 hours as the same is concerning life and liberty. c. CIC/BS/C/2015/000157, in case titled V. Vaidyanathan v/s PIO, EPFO, Mumbai decided on 17.07.2017, wherein the above orders of CIC as at 2(a) above have again been reiterated that the information relating to Pension matters must be provided within 48 hours as the same is concerning life and liberty. You are therefore, requested to provide duly attested /certified photocopies (see Chapter 1, clause (2) (j) (ii) of the RTI act 2005) of the aforesaid documents on A-4 paper sheets under RTI Act 2005 within 48 Hours as decided by the CIC (see Sr. no. 2 above). 48 Hours Clause can be invoked.pdf 2017-06-28-193000321_Vaidyanathan_V.pdf news letter 4 UPDATED AS ON 3 JULY 2017 BY SECRETARY.pdf Pension_RTI_GBT_3634.pdf Pension_RTI_PK_2962.pdf Show_Cause-307_Balaraman_V.pdf
  6. 3 points
    Please find attached herewith the CIC decision wherein it had ruled as follows: prefixing of why & what doesnt debar applicant from receiving info..pdf
  7. 3 points
    FAA's obligation is to direct his subordinate Public Information Officer suitably to follow such stipulations in RTI Act, if he finds from first appellant has stated any grounds of violation. Information should always be from Public Information officer. You can ask a friend or relative from different station to file RTI Application seeking information as follows: Information solicited: 1.Please provide the copy of office notes/directions that state the reasons for putting on hold the recruitment of Deputy Managers, Assistant Managers (desk top). 2.Please inform whether there is an obligation on public authority to inform developments to the aspiring candidates, without giving scope for each candidate filing individual RTI Applications. 3.Please provide the link if the matter is put on website about suspending such recruitment. 4.Inform further plan of action for recruitment in future if available on record if any.
  8. 3 points
    Unfortunately every citizen is having his own personal matters to be taken care of and hardly have personal time to spend with families at a place like Mumbai. In addition this goondaism and group fights , extortions and threatening are usual. BMC corporators are more powerful than MLAs of other districts. If any citizen is having such time, he should file RTI Application and seek information on full details of unauthorised construction, locational address, present status, action taken, pending in Court and the officials responsible for such negligence in duties. In this forum, I have seen such extra ordinary follow up through RTI and then bringing into logical conclusion through PIL by our esteemed member Mr.Bali and he has contributed more insights into tackling this problem. Because of his vast knowledge, perseverance, he could do that at his personal expenses in Punjab state, but in Mumbai we can never dream of that. Why only Mumbai, it is there in Thane, Kalyan and even in Dombvilli also.
  9. 3 points
    Your drafting is good and even an expert can not suggest better points. Just mention the subject matter with more clarity in one sentence. Complaint dt........................from......................against dy. Registrar, orders Ref....................No....................Implementation status. The queries are more than enough. Congratulations for perseverance in focussing on many issues as required in RTI.
  10. 3 points
    An applicant is not concerned with their internal correspondence, he is concerned only of getting information within the time frame fixed under RTI and he has to focus on further step undeterred by their internal jurisdictional issues.
  11. 3 points
    Description of Information Required: In-accordance with the provision of section 2(j)(i) of the RTI Act, kindly provide me with an inspection of all the documents with respect to the following: (a) (b) (c) Please note that, during the process of aforesaid inspection, I shall select the required information, kindly do provide me with a certified photocopy of such selected information on payment of prescribed fees.
  12. 3 points
    1.Please permit me to inspect the following records pertaining to .....................................................(File notes/documents).and for providing certified copies selected by me under RTI . a b Please propose two convenient dates and provide such permission atleast ten days in advance.
  13. 3 points
    In younger age, everything appears beautiful either a child or new articles. In 2017, none of the members remembered the forum and the Anniversary passed silently without any wishes or celebrations. It is only time that erases the memory. But in short span, most of the experts stored huge information that will be useful for another decade. Though they do not visit regularly, their past contribution still helps every member. The success and rejoice of the forum is not confined to a single day, and every day someone should be benefitted by the forum. Every day is for celebration if members succeed through their learning and guidance..
  14. 2 points
    Public information officer has to either provide the information or deny information stating such clause under Sec. 8 sub section 1 as exemption with such justification. Please go through Sec.8 (1) and the denial stating " disproportionately diversion of the resource of public authority" was no where stated in such sub section as exempted information. There were many CIC decisions that stated that this stipulation is not an exemption under RTI. Unless member posts the exact query, precise answer as to whether it covers under Sec.2 (f) can not be given. In General a PIO must provide that information which is available in material form in his custody if it is not exempted specifically under Sec. 8 (1) Go for First appeal to FAA Grounds for first Appeal: a) As per Sec.7 (1) PIO can only "reject the request for any of the reasons specified in Sec.8 & Sec. 9" b)2.There is no such exemption in Sec.8 (1) that states that PIO can reject the request on the ground that providing of information disproportionately diversion of the resource of public authority" c)It was upheld in umpteen second appeals by CIC that information can not be rejected with the reason "disproportionately diversion of the resource of public authority c)PIO has also not provided for any justification for applying such assumed reason for exempting information and quoting some reason in way relevant to deny information legally and not offering any justification for such denial was treated as "deliberate and malafide denial" Hence this first appeal.
  15. 2 points
    1.Servuce History of an employee is within employer and employee and has nothing to do with larger public interest, and as per earlier decisions it is not within ambit of RTI. Unless you can establish larger public interest like obtaining employment through fake documents , removal of essential documents, not recording of earlier corruptive actions and on disciplinary issues, you can never get such information from any Public authority. 2.. AP Govt has not brought RTI on line and once the application is submitted through Regd post and tracked through indiapost website, there is no opportunity for PIO to escape from his obligations, and even if he remains silent then there is further FIRST APPEAL PROCESS on "Deemed denial" if reply is not received from SPIO within 30 days from receipt of RTI Application. 3.APSRTC is now brought within state government and the process is not completed.
  16. 2 points
    If the information is urgent and important immediately pay the fees under protest. Address a simple letter to SPIO, making a copy to FAA. and SIC. To ............................ .......................... Dear Sir, Reg: SIC Decision No...............................dt............................ Appellant:...................................... Ref: Demand for copying fees letter No.....................dt.................................. 1.I invite your attention to Sec. 7 (6) that states as follows: (6)Not withstanding anything contained in sub-section (5) the person making request for the information shall be provided the information free of charge where a public authority fails to comply with the time limit specified in sub-section (1) Sub section (1) prescribed time limit of 30 days. RTI application was filed on.................... SIC decision was on.................... Demand from SPIO was on. 2.SPIO demanding such fees is in violation of the Sec. 7 (6) is not legally proper. However the postal order for Rs.72/- is enclosed under protest keeping in mind the importance and urgency of information. Yours faithfully, ........................ Encl: PO No:..............for Rs.72 drawn as per SPIO directions. Copy to FAA and SIC: With a request to direct SPIO for providing of information free of cost as per Sec. 7 (6) and for returning of the postal order for Rs72/ submitted by applicant under protest. This is all formal and generally appellants do not prolong and irritate authorities by educating them about RTI Act as information is always the priority, and citizens are paying to their own Government, the actual copying expenses of nominal amount.
  17. 2 points
    AS per Govt practice of rules if REPLY is not forth coming from any office a COMPLAINT TO NEXT HIGHER officer is only the method.Alternatively you can file RTI seeing as to to ACTION TAKEN AS SUGGESTED BY APPATASKAR as suggested above in the normal way
  18. 2 points
    Whether SPIO has informed you or FAA has informed you is not clear. Generally FAA should deliver orders to SPIO for providing of information, keeping the options to the appellant. But DOPT guidelines stated that even FAA can provide information in the interest of expeditious disposal. Let us appreciate sincerity of FAA and bring to the attention of FAA on not uploading that information in website. Do not be hurry in making second appeal as it takes time of minimum two years for getting opportunity of hearing and then information. Your endeavour should always be to get information in first two stages. Take a chance as you have time upto 90 days from receipt of FAA orders for going to second appeal. File addendum to First Appeal to same FAA as under. Addendum to first appeal dt....................... (Further to first appeal dt.....and information provided by FAA vide letter No................) Appellant appreciates the way in which FAA has responded to Appellant directly and submits that Appellant has searched for the information and there is no such information available in the given link https://tnsta.gov.in/act_rules.jsp. It may be a presumption and though this information must be uploaded as voluntary disclosure, this was not done, and no such information as requested by appellant is available . Appellant also submits that information should be provided in the form of information that is solicited, and appellant required the information in the form of certified copies and not for link. Appellant prays for providing such copy of circular/order/notification in the form of certified copy, as the same is not available in website. Appellant.
  19. 2 points
    Then Grounds for appeal should be for providing information that is incorrect and misleading and information not providing in the form it was requested.
  20. 2 points
    Go for first appeal with following grounds and prayer. Grounds: SPIO has not provided point wise, correct and complete information for point 1,2,3 and and for Point No.4 demanded for a visit for collecting documents and not even provided the calculation with his demand. The reply is not satisfactory and for 28 days he could not provide information that is available on his record. Hence first appeal. (Copy of RTI Application and PIO reply provided as xerox on back of this page as Page No.2) PRAYER: Appellant requests for directions to SPIO for providing point wise information and demanding such fees for copying after providing such calculation arrived. As information was not provided within 30 days, SPIO may be directed to provide information as expeditiously as possible free of cost. (There is no such necessity to call on the office with personal expenses only for collecting copies and it can be sent by post as per RTI rules and regulations)
  21. 2 points
    Please refer to the blog on the following link and prepare the grounds of your first appeal: https://rtiindia.org/blogs/entry/756-disproportionate-diversion-of-resources/
  22. 2 points
    Dear comrades...since the govt. is likely to make some changes in RTI act. Can we file RTI? Sent from my vivo 1818 using RTI INDIA mobile app
  23. 2 points
    You have lost the coin in Kashmir and searching it at Kanyakumari. This community forum is dedicated for guiding citizens in seeking information from public authorities under RTI and members are like you and me. This forum is not having relations with any Government/party. RTI is not a complaint redressal / investigation and you can only seek information available in material form from public authoriies. You can either refer the matter to a higher official in Registration dept., post it as grievance in their on line portal or complain to ACB.
  24. 2 points
    As to how many Deputy Chief Ministers should be appointed, it is the prerogative of the C.M.. In Andhra Pradesh, the C.M. has appointed 5 Deputy Chief Ministers & in Telangana 2 Dy. C.Ms. When State was integrated, there was no Dy. C.M. for most of the period... Court has fixed the limits for Ministers in the Cabinet i.e. 10% of the Legislatures including C.M., but there is no restriction of Dy. C.M.. There is no change of salary and perks of Ministers and Deputy Chief Ministers. Hence the question of waste of public exchequer also may not arise..This is nothing but an attempt to please the disgruntle MLAs to keep the folk together. Politicians in power should have the sense of economics of the State so that public taxes may not be wasted. Hope good sense will prevail upon them one day or the other.
  25. 2 points
    An information pertaining to co-operative societies can be broadly classified into two categories: (1) Information which a co-operative society is supposed to mandatorily and periodically file with the Registrar of Co-operative Societies e.g. annual returns etc. (2) Information which a co-operative society is not supposed to file with the Registrar of Co-operative Societies and is available only at the Society's Office e.g. Minutes of Managing Committee meetings etc. Presently the status is that: The information which falls under category (1) above can be accessed under the provisions of RTI Act by filing a RTI application with the PIO of the concerned ward of Deputy Registrar of Co-operative Societies. Whereas, the information which falls under category (2) above is being wrongfully denied by the PIO of Deputy Registrar of Co-operative Societies. A writ petition on the above subject is pending before the Bombay High Court.
  26. 2 points
    First Appeal hearing is not mandatory, and not stated in RTI Act even if demanded many FAAs never permit appellant for hearing in several public authorities. As a courtesy just thank him for giving the opportunity, express regrets stating your inability to appear for hearing and either ask him to decide on merits or give another date for attending hearing. Definitely, first appeal hearing gives better opportunities of getting information.
  27. 2 points
    Namaskaram Prasad Ji. Thank you for answering the original question pertaining to RTI. Also thank you for your valuable inputs. What you say makes complete sense and it esp. when you say that “After all the errant officials are your own colleagues and might committed mistake without expecting any unlawful gain. Live and let live and focus on your issue”. The first step when a mistake is committed is to own it up. “To maintain a fault known is a double fault.” A genuine and inadvertent error can be condoned on compassionate grounds provided when such an error is brought to light, genuine intent is displayed to rectify the issue and contain the damage. Not otherwise. The perspective that you have given is a valid one and finds resonance within me. It also gives me strength to file a detailed response so that the details of the case are known esp. to those who are in a similar situation. Please allow such a response. This is a Pension Recovery Case, the rules governing the Pension Disbursal and Recovery are very well codified. “If a payment is made over and above eligibility, any one is having such rights to recover the amount paid by mistake”. It is not illegal. My comment: Pension cannot be equated as Payment. Earlier the right to Pension was a fundamental right and also a property right. When property right was repealed as a fundamental right by the 44th Amendment, It became a Constitutional Right protected under Article 300 A enforceable by law. “Recovering the amount paid by mistake is not illegal”- true; However, Recovering Pension Overpayment amount after continually making overpayment beyond 5 years is in direct contravention to several supreme court judgements and is not legally tenable. More so, in every case, due process of law must be followed. Recovery cannot be made arbitrarily. Pension overpayment and an overpayment by cashier may appear similar in terms of human behaviour- but it isn’t. These two scenarios are completely different. Cash overpayment on counter can purely be an inadvertent human error – but pension disbursal is a highly controlled well-defined process with multiple checks and balances. The probability of making such overpayment is highly minimized if correct inputs (such as: Date of retirement, Date of birth, PPO Number, DA, years of service, commuted amount etc) are fed in the process; Bank has every right to induce pressure in case of un-intended benefits accrued by such a mistake to any beneficiary. However, if you find a Pension overpayment that has happened for over 5 years, you will almost always find that either the Bank or the Pension Sanctioning Authority has overlooked and has been non-compliant to the well-defined sacrosanct procedures that are mandatorily to be followed. In such cases, it is no longer a case of innocuous human error but of wilful negligence. In our case the bank has completely overlooked the procedures mentioned as per Circular No. 57, Dt. 17, September, 2008, issued by PCDA (P); Specifically, Para 10 of the Circular directs the bank to share every case of pension consolidation done by the bank to the PCDA (P). This was never done. This observation comes from the stakeholders themselves: the CAG & PCDA (P). I have gone through the case reference mentioned: Jammu & Kashmir Bank Ltd vs Attar-Ul-Nissa & Others on 7 October, 1966; this is not applicable in our case. I hope this is the one that you were referring to. Without going into too much technical details here the overall process is: The Banks consolidate the Pension as per circulars issued by PCDA (P) and disburse the amount to the Pensioner. Later the Bank sends the advice of the payment made to the RBI and receives the reimbursement made only by the Central Accounts Section (CAS) of the RBI located at Nagpur. So, let’s say the pension consolidation done by the bank indicates that the pensioner should receive 60,000 as pension amount. If there is a Pension Recovery happening- the bank would deduct 20,000 and disburse 40,000 to the Pensioner. This recovery is as per the RBI authorization. (Refer to the RBI Circular: RBI/2017-18/1 DGBA.GBD.No.-1/31.05.001/2017-18). So, the bank is not recovering from my account once the credit is available. They are deducting the recovery amount at source- pretty much the way the TDS (Tax deduction at source) works. “No one can benefit on mistakes and use it for unlawful gains”- Again in complete agreement with this. What you say is correct. This is the exact question and perspective that has been looked into through several SC Judgements. The Rafiq Masih’s Case words this more cogently: Quote “ Merely on account of the fact, that the release of these monetary benefits was based on a mistaken belief at the hands of the employer, and further, because the employees had no role in the determination of the employer, could it be legally feasible, for the private respondents to assert, that they should be exempted from refunding the excess amount received by them”? Unquote However, as said earlier, this notion and perspective of unlawful gains has been covered many times in several SC judgements. These necessarily have to be mentioned here to dispel the highly over-simplified view of things and would need a detailed response. The SC provisions for such a recovery if it is found within the first 5 years of overpayment. Beyond that, it does not permit such recovery. The Pensioner has never been told about his correct entitlement of Pension; Neither by the PCDA (P) nor by the Bank. There is a complete blatant disregard again by the Bank in issuing of Pension Slips – please refer to RBI letter No. DGBA.GAD. No. H-10975/45.05.031/2006-07 dated January 9, 2007, in this regard. As per this the Pensioner must be issued a Pension Slip so that the Pensioner knows about his correct entitlement. The bank is in possession of these documents but the Pensioner has never been given / made known his correct entitlement. A case can be made stating that the Pensioner ought to make efforts to know the correctness of his Pension. In this case the Bank was asked for the Pension Slips- and it didn’t provide any. So- in such cases, whatever the amount accrued as Pension was taken as the correct entitlement. It can be argued whether such an excess was used for “Unlawful Gains”. However, the lapses and errors of omission and commission done by the bank cannot be ignored or condoned. However, the process of making such recovery cannot be arbitrary. Due process of law must be followed in case of any recovery. All this and more perspectives have been completely though over in several judgments of the Supreme Court in cases of Pension Recovery due to Overpayment. These are:- a) State of Punjab and others Vs. Rafiq Masih reported in 2015 (4) SCC 334 – wherein recoveries by the employers would be impermissible in law where the excess payment has been made for a period in excess of five years, before the order of recovery is issued. The OM issued by DOPT : F.No. 1 8/03/20 1 5-Estt. (Pay-I) has been issued citing this judgement and it clearly states that no recovery from pension can be made in violation of the Judgment of Rafiq Masih b) ShyamBabu Verma Vs. Union of India reported in 1994 SC (2) 521, wherein a three Judge Bench of SC held that no steps should be taken to recover or adjust any excess amount paid to the employees due to the fault of the respondents c) Syed Abdul Qadir and others Vs. State. Of Bihar and others reported in (2009) 3 SCC 475, where in a three Judge Bench of the SC held that the relief against recovery is granted by courts not because of any right in the employees, but in equity, exercising judicial discretion to relieve the employees from the hardship that will be caused if recovery is ordered. d) The DPPI -2013 Instructions (Defence Pension Payment Instructions), section 103.2 issued by PCDA (P), Allahabad clearly prohibits the banks from initiating recovery of overpayment of pensions not detected within 12 months of the date of first erroneous charge without the orders of PCDA(P). Every case of overpayment detected should be reported to the PCDA(Pensions), which in turn shall decide himself or shall obtain orders of the competent authority, Govt. of India as the case may be. It further states that to avoid hardship to the pensioner, payment for the current period, however should be continued to the pensioner at the correct rate admissible. Please note that the Pension Disbursing Bank is just an agent and is under direct instructions by the Pension Sanctioning Authority. It cannot act independently on its own. Some parts of the Rafiq Masih’s Judgement need to be Quoted to give a complete perspective: - “The Pensioner was not guilty of furnishing any incorrect information, which had led the concerned competent authority, to commit the mistake of making the higher payment to the employees. The payment of higher dues to the private respondents, in all these cases, was not on account of any misrepresentation made by them, nor was it on account of any fraud committed by them” – this is true in our case. It further states: “It will be our endeavour, to lay down the parameters of fact situations, wherein employees, who are beneficiaries of wrongful monetary gains at the hands of the employer, may not be compelled to refund the same. In our considered view, the instant benefit cannot extend to an employee merely on account of the fact, that he was not an accessory to the mistake committed by the employer; or merely because the employee did not furnish any factually incorrect information, on the basis whereof the employer committed the mistake of paying the employee more than what was rightfully due to him; or for that matter, merely because the excessive payment was made to the employee, in absence of any fraud or misrepresentation at the behest of the employee”. “ Having examined a number of judgments rendered by this Court, we are of the view, that orders passed by the employer seeking recovery of monetary benefits wrongly extended to employees, can only be interfered with, in cases where such recovery would result in a hardship of a nature, which would far outweigh, the equitable balance of the employer's right to recover. In other words, interference would be called for, only in such cases where, it would be iniquitous to recover the payment made. In order to ascertain the parameters of the above consideration, and the test to be applied, reference needs to be made to situations when this Court exempted employees from such recovery, even in exercise of its jurisdiction under Article 142 of the Constitution of India. Repeated exercise of such power, "for doing complete justice in any cause" would establish that the recovery being effected was iniquitous, and therefore, arbitrary. And accordingly, the interference at the hands of this Court.” “The right to recover being pursued by the employer, will have to be compared, with the effect of the recovery on the concerned employee. If the effect of the recovery from the concerned employee would be, more unfair, more wrongful, more improper, and more unwarranted, than the corresponding right of the employer to recover the amount, then it would be iniquitous and arbitrary, to effect the recovery. In such a situation, the employee's right would outbalance, and therefore eclipse, the right of the employer to recover.” It is not possible to postulate all situations of hardship, which would govern employees on the issue of recovery, where payments have mistakenly been made by the employer, in excess of their entitlement. Be that as it may, based on the decisions referred to herein above, we may, as a ready reference, summarise the following few situations, wherein recoveries by the employers, would be impermissible in law: (i) Recovery from employees belonging to Class-III and Class-IV service (or Group 'C' and Group 'D' service). (ii) Recovery from retired employees, or employees who are due to retire within one year, of the order of recovery. (iii) Recovery from employees, when the excess payment has been made for a period in excess of five years, before the order of recovery is issued. (iv) Recovery in cases where an employee has wrongfully been required to discharge duties of a higher post, and has been paid accordingly, even though he should have rightfully been required to work against an inferior post. (v) In any other case, where the Court arrives at the conclusion, that recovery if made from the employee, would be iniquitous or harsh or arbitrary to such an extent, as would far outweigh the equitable balance of the employer's right to recover. That completes the reference to the Rafiq Masih’s Judgement by Apex Court. Regarding Arbitrariness, as stated earlier- 1. No show cause notice was issued to the pensioner prior to commencing the recovery 2. No order of recovery has been issued by any competent authority. In the end the long detailed response may seem disproportionate keeping in mind the brevity of inputs received from you; However, this case is not an isolated one. This is just a tip of the iceberg. If you think the above response is exaggerated, you can check the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General of India on Disbursement of Defence Pension for the year ended March 2016 (Performance Audit No. 26 of 2017). This Audit Report is submitted to the Presidents Office. It states “Deficiencies in the pension disbursement system: We observed that the transmission errors as well as other mistakes in the banks, which account for nearly 75 per cent of the pension disbursements, had resulted in numerous cases of underpayments and overpayments”. “As per records of the PCDA (P) Allahabad, there were 24, 61,651 defence pensioners as on 01/04/2015, which increased to 25,00,631 on 01/04/2016”. The mathematics can be done! All the documents and references cited above are available in public domain. Apologies, shall restrict further posts on matter pertaining to RTI only. Lest any specific questions are asked pertaining to the background of the case while filing the RTI. Regards, Andy
  28. 2 points
    For the purpose of RTI Act, the Co-operative Societies can be broadly classified into two types: (1) Bodies owned, controlled or substantially financed by a Govt. etc. (i.e. Societies which fall under the definition of public authority as given under section 2 (h) of the RTI Act); and (2) Bodies which do not fall under the definition of section 2 (h) of the RTI Act i.e. Private Bodies. The first type of Co-operative Societies are public authorities and therefore directly covered under the RTI Act; by virtue of section 2(h) of the RTI Act; and The second type of Co-operative Societies are covered indirectly under the RTI Act, by virtue of the definition of section 2(f) of the RTI Act. In other words, both the type of Co-operative Societies are covered under the RTI Act, one directly under section 2(h) and the other indirectly under section 2(f). Please find para 52 from the decision of Hon'ble Supreme Court in Civil Appeal No. 9017 of 2013 quoted below:
  29. 2 points
    The PIO is quoting very old Judgment. It was held in CIC decisions that if the information is available on record in material form it has to be provided, as RTI Act never stipulated any form of seeking information. For example: Who is Prime Minister of india is interrogative form Please provide the name of the Prime Minister of India is a simple sentence. If PIO has in his records material form naming such PM, he can not reject the information on grounds that it is interrogative. PIO can only deny information as per exemptions stated in Sec.8 or Sec.9 of RTI Act. Either you can file simple RTI to same PIO or go for first appeal so that you can educate Public Authority PF who is not still knowing fundamentals even after 14 years after RTI came into force . Simple form: 1.Please inform the reasons for delay in transfer of PF from.................to................. 2.Please inform time frame fixed under citizen charter for making such transfers. 3.Inform the name of the employee, and his supervisor, designations, mobile numbers and full address that are purposefully delaying transfer and neglecting their duties.
  30. 2 points
    State Public Information Officer, Sub Registrar (Society Registration) Information solicited: 1.Please provide the copy of registration certificate for Locality Resident Association of.......................at...............................with Shri..........................as President and as.................................Secretary. (As a member you have the right to seek same information from your society without spending single paisa)
  31. 2 points
    We expect that positive success stories from our members and we take pride in those members achievements. CONGRATULATIONS.
  32. 2 points
    What can you do by knowing that information? Such displaced families are more, the affected people are many, there was no problem as everyone was accommodated. They have a powerful union/association and they have links to know status and developments themselves as they are concerned. Jump into the fray, only when you can bring a change through logical conclusion and do not expose yourself on petty things that cannot make any difference. Do not think that your repeated representations are of no use, get them solved through the interference of welfare association and meeting concerned officials in a group. In police, discipline is the priority, and I have not come across any broad-minded superior who considers their subordinates are also citizens. Our actions should bring results and should not drag us to further problems. Still, if you wanted to go on hunting for the information, seek such information as follows: Information solicited: 1. Please provide the reasons on the record for the abnormal delay in commencing housing project for police quarters at................................................ 2.The present status and plan of action to complete the quarters within a time frame.
  33. 2 points
    Let the answer come from KIC. Apply for such information in prescribed format with such adhesive court fee stamp of Rs.10/- Brief facts. The website of Karnataka Information Commission for proactive disclosure under section 4(1)(b)(x) the site showed the message"The origin server did not find a current representation for the target resource or is not willing to disclose that one exists." Information solicited.1. Is it not mandatory to disclose monthly remuneration of officer/employees of the Commission under RTI as per 4(1)(b)(x). (Voluntary disclosure) 2. Please provide specific exemptions if any to KSIC alone.
  34. 2 points
    No uniform format has been prescribed. Her attendance is also not needed. That is just a formality. Please mail a copy in advance and retain one copy with you for showing it to Commission.. Before .................Information commission,..................... File No: Against: SPIO,........................ Appellant:..................................... Authorisation letter for representing the appellant for hearing on..................... Appellant humbly submits that she could not attend hearing on.........................and hereby authorizes her husband Sri................................for representing her and submitting the grounds of appeal and praying for such remedies under RTI Act. He may be permitted to attend the hearing on the basis of this authorization letter Shri ............................Signs as.................................................................... Appellant
  35. 2 points
    Remember there were never restrictions in RTI Act in seeking any information and those exemptions with justification must be stated by PIO with his denial of information. Seek information as a right for any public record, if it is denied, before going for appeal come back for guidance. and prepare a pucca first appeal.
  36. 2 points
    The citizen has the right to seek information only, and the rest is left between PIO and SIC. The duty of a citizen is using first appeal and second appeal only and making representation to CIC. Represent material facts to IC and seek information. These are not loopholes and in fact, no PIO is caring for RTI sincere implementation. The penalty is left to the discretion of IC killing the spirit of RTI Act and the act is just a paper tiger. which PIO can just blow with his breadth.
  37. 2 points
    Just go ahead and file the first appeal on the following grounds (keep it short and simple): Grounds of the First Appeal: 1. That, the information sought against each of the points of request for information is unique and not a repetition. 2. That, the information sought against each of the points of request for information are all public documents and hence the exemption of section 8(1)(d) (commercial confidence) does not apply. Prayers: 1. Kindly direct the PIO to provide the requested information forthwith. 2. Kindly direct the PIO to provide the requested information free of cost in accordance with the letter and spirit of section 7(6) of the RTI Act.
  38. 2 points
    One cannot argue with idiots. Go for second appeal as there is no justification for Public Authority's reason for such denial.
  39. 2 points
    You have never stated about the incomplete inspection and their orders for completing the inspection on some other day. Unless you get a confirmation in writing about the day, time and contact officer, never visit public authority's office. The security is performing its duty. They have to contact the concerned officer over the phone, prepare a pass with the signature of such officer, mentioning the purpose of the work, duration, etc., and after inspection, the concerned officer has to sign the pass and it should be returned back. You can also register your visit in the Visit book kept at the security gate. When you are in RTI, do not think of saving on postage as personal visits frequently to a public authority is not advisable. You are fortunate. Once I went for inspection to a Ministry at New Delhi after receiving such written permission, the concerned Addl. Secretary left to Dehradun for training. After traveling 32 hours I returned back empty handed and reduced the ordeals in writing, but there is no response from Addl. Secretary. These harassments are usual with Public Sector Oil companies and those officers are located far from the city in outskirts where you do not find transportation and even drinking water. The security personnel permits a citizen only if he is having a valid pass. Focus on information, these are most common.
  40. 2 points
    You can file RTI Application to State public Information officer TSCB and can solicit the information as follows: Information solicited: 1. Please provide the status of various projects undertaken by the board for construction of houses in the .......District. 2. Please provide the Brochure/Booklet/Circular that states the norms for allocating such houses. 3. Please provide No of applications received, accepted, rejected and finally selected, a vacant position as on 31-3-2019. 4. Please provide a copy of the beneficiaries list. NB: Please provide that information available in electronic data through CD and if the information is in hard copies provide that hard copy. Note to search website of TNSCB for format of RTI Application, CPIO particulars and RTI Fee mode of remittance.
  41. 2 points
    Always remember that it is the forum that has facilitated us and inspired us. The credit should go to the forum and we are very small wheels.
  42. 2 points
    Attending personal hearing during the first appeal is not mandatory. I am not aware as to how PIO can ask you to appear for personal hearing when you have filed appeal before FAA. You may politely explain the same difficulty in writing by email to FAA and request him to excuse you from personal hearing, and pray for delivering orders supported with such reasons on the basis of record and grounds already stated in the first appeal. You may also file your arguments in writing and request him to consider the same for deciding the appeal. Do not be disturbed by the simple procedure, as personal hearing is not required in appeals under RTI.
  43. 2 points
    The demarcation by local authority as Residential, agricultural, industrial, commercial etc., matter and not your personal use of the land.
  44. 2 points
    If it is a recognized organization and if they submit such details to District Educational Officer, you have to file RTI Application to State Public Information Officer, District Educational Officer and seek such record submitted by the school authorities. You can get that record submitted by the school to DEO.
  45. 2 points
    Wait for the response for 30 days from receipt of your application by CE-PIO and let them decide as to who is the custodian. If the first PIO mentioned about First Appeal particulars, make a representation to him that both PIOs are passing on the ball game with the citizens and when the officials are not themselves aware of the fact shows the ignorance of their own departmental affairs and throws a bad light on the efficiency of the officers. Request him to direct the relevant PIO to provide the information. Search website of CE for the first appellate authority's name and address.
  46. 2 points
    What exactly is your query ? You have to seek information from SPIO of that PS on action taken on each of your what's app message. You can also select one month data and can seek information from SPIO of same police station Information solicited: 1.Please provide me copy of the record that states the date wise whats app message received through No.......from public and forwarded to that PS for the month of Jan, 2019. _______________________________________________________________________________________ Date. Message from complaint on (crime) Action taken Official entrusted with the issue. ____1________2______________ 3_____________________4_________________5______________________ (If the data is available in the form of material register or any electronic record for controlling purposes please provide copy of that record) 3.You can also file RTI Application to Controlling Authority SPIO, Commissioner of police and can seek information as follows: Information solicited: 1.Please provide the laid down controlling mechanism that states that the concerned PS who receives the forwarded messages are taking promptly action as per What's App complaint. and then escalate this as complaint to Commissioner of Police that this system was reduced as ritual when no action is being taken on such messages, there is no use in promoting such schemes for publicity sake and request them to come out with a controlling mechanism for effective follow up on action taken by PS after receiving the forwarded message. (For Mumbai Police, such parking messages are too trivial)
  47. 2 points
    Members of the forum can not provide authentic information on such query without facts and circumstances. You can file RTI Application to the concerned State Public Information Officer, District Supdt of Police and can seek information. Information solicited: 1)Please provide the copy of manual/orders/ laid down norms for presenting an accused to the court for remand and those steps to be taken for modes of transport, various entries to be made etc.,
  48. 2 points
    Never part with the cheque. Cheque for format of issuing notice under Sec.138 of NIA to drawer /PIO in google and wait for a response. Do not protract the matter and focus on information. As PIO has provided information required, let us appreciate his attitude and not penalize him. Report this as complaint to FAA and seek refund of such fees in demand draft. Before all this speak to PIO and report of bouncing of cheque. You have no where informed the reason for return of the cheque.
  49. 2 points
    What is the present status of your RTI process? If your present query is on filing fresh application, you need no guidance as you have applied for such inspection in the past, and this time either you can request that representative to file RTI Application in his name or file application jointly signed by all three representatives. Please search in the forum as there is a beautiful and useful HC Judgment on such permitting representative in the forum (In previous replies) If I find the time, I will search it for you and provide the link. Please specify whether you wish to file a fresh application in the name of such representative or you wish to file an application to some other public authority as I remember that FAA has refused to provide inspection through a representative in the past and delivered such orders, closing that issue only for the second appeal before Commission. (My last response requesting you to post developments is on the progress in the advice of your HC advocate ON ECONOMIC CELL) This is the link that states HC ruling on permitting representatives.
  50. 2 points
    Is the document made available by the central/state public information officer is admissible as evidence in a court of law? It is very pertinent question. This question is sure to arise when the receipient of the document attempts to put in as evidence in a case pending in the civil or criminal court. The document made available by the Public Information Officer is the one which is already recorded in the official records and published or it may be one which is not recorded and published or the one which is yet to be recorded and published. What the public information officer does is, he just furnishes a copy of the record. Such record may be a true copy but it is not either authenticated or can be vouchsafed as true. The information available will be is something like news. The public information Officer is not a party to such information. He is not capable of speaking anything about the content of the document or about its veracity. The document furnished by the public Information Officer is no doubt a document issued from the proper custody and by the authority which by law is found to keep the inofrmation and disseminate it. That by itself doesnot make the document either authentic or its contents true. Moreover, the document issued has no purpose other than allowing the recipient to know of this content and nothing more. It is not the intention or the purpose of Public Information Officer to support the recipent when he uses it for any purpose either to prove or disprove any fact in which the recipient of the document is only concerned. The document and the information contained therein is neutral as if it is just a news. The public Information Officer is completely ignorant of the purpose for which the applicant has made his request for information nor the Public Information Officer is in any manner concerned with it. In the application for information the applicant is not required to state any reasons why he requires information. Therefore, it is not an application for a certified copy of any information recorded by any adjudicating authority in a dispute. As per the practices of the courts and tribunals the party applying for a certified copy should state weather it is required for purpose of appeal or for reference. No such condition is prescribed for the applicant for information to state the reason why he requires information. The copy furnished by the court can be used only for the purpose for which the copy of appplication is made. As per the practices prevalent with the Government when an application for certified copy is made, the authority or the officer recieving the application will specifically endorse on the copy he grants, that it shall not be used in court as evidence eventhough the information contained theirein is not only true and is also authentic. In such cases, the court recieving the certified copy, before admitting the document requires that the document should be proved to be of the original. It is particularly true so in the case of survey maps, where the court normally as a practice appoints the official surveyour as a court Commissioner and obtain the true sketch. Here, in the case of Public Information Officer wheather he makes an endorsement as is referred to above to the said effect that the documents supplied by him shall not be used in court, it is implied in the circumstances of this Act that the document made available to the applicant shall not be used as a proof in court proceedings. Further, the principal purpose of the Act itself is to make available to the citizens all infomration the Government is possessed off for his self-illumination to function as an enlightned and well informaed citizen and not to help him to score any point with his opponent in any dispute. Thus, when the citizen wants to use the document obtained by him from the Public Information Officer as a document in any civil or criminal proceedings, he should adopt the procedure prescribed for purpose of obtaining certified copies through court process and not by making an application for information under this Act. However this interpretation is yet to be formalized by way of decisions that may occur in future.
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